Does anyone have access to advanced stats?

[madbluboy]

Heraldsun has done an in depth AFL ratings of our players comparing 2022 and 2023. I will post later when I get on my laptop.

[PaulP]

Heraldsun has done an in depth AFL ratings of our players comparing 2022 and 2023. I will post later when I get on my laptop.

I'm guessing the 2023 number will be worse, which seems to confirm Jimbo's current theory that all recent coaches at Carlton suffer the 2nd year Blues.

There's an article from Jon Ralph published a couple of days ago. It is, to my reading, a scattergun, unfocussed piece, but the key takeaway is that we are not brilliant, not awful, just very very average.

[Lods]

The problem is comparing all of 2022 to 2023
The comparison would be much more valid comparing the back half  of 2022 to the first half of 2023 to see how far, if at all, we've slipped this year.

[DJC]

Not really answering RR's question but our team statistics are generally in the higher rankings:

3rd - Disposals
2nd - Kicks
7th - Handballs
2nd - Marks
[b]14th - Goals
13th - Goal assists
13th - Inside 50s
9th - Tackles
9th - Clearances
9th - Rebound 50s
5th - Hitouts
5th - Contersted Possessions
4th - Uncontested Possessions
6th - Disposal Efficiency
1st - Contested Marks
7th - Marks Inside 50
6th - 1%ers
14th - Bounces
16th - Centre Clearances
8th - Stoppage Clearances
6th - Metres Gained
13th - Turnovers
6th - Intercept Possessions
15th - Tackles Inside 50[/b]

For a team that dominates possession and marks, contested and uncontested, our inside 50 tally is incredibly low.  Similarly, our clearance work is well down given the talent we have in the midfield and the dominance of our ruckman.

What really stands out for me are the low rebound 50s and bounce tallies - we're not breaking the lines - and our tackles inside 50 - we're wasting too many of our limited inside 50s.

[LP]

Should that 13th for turnovers be a red or a green, are they opposition turnovers or our turnovers?

[madbluboy]

Cerra: 2022: 11.8 Average, 2023: 13.8 Above Average +22%

Saad: 2022: 13.1 Elite, 2023: 13.1 Elite

Charlie C. 2022: 12.4 Elite, 2023: 15.6 Elite +26%

Ed Curnow 2022: N/A, 2023: 5.9 Below Average

Hewett: 2022: 14.8 Above Average, 2023: 9.7 Below Average -35%

McKay: 2022: 9.3 Above Average, 2023: 7.0 Average -25%

Motlop: 2022: 6.4 Average, 2023: 8.6 Average +34%

Owies: 2022: 7.7 Average, 2023: 9.1 Above Average +26%

Cripps: 2022: 16.0 Elite, 2023: 12.5 Average -22%

Walsh: 2022: 12.3 Average, 2023: 10.7 Below Average -14%

Fisher 2022: 9.2 Above Average, 2023 5.8 Below Average -38%

Kennedy: 2022: 11.4 Average, 2023 10.1 Below Average -11%

There were a few other players but they didn't change much.

[PaulP]

I did not expect to see that Motlop and Owies had improved that much. Well done to both. The others are all about where I thought they might be.

[kruddler]

Be interested to see a few names if you could...the KPPs

Weitering
Young
Pittonet
TDK
SOJ
Charlie

[LP]

There were a few other players but they didn't change much.

Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?

If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?

I'm a bit dubious, because I notice some players who have missed games through injury seem to be negative, that suggests someone has made a oopsy in calculating averages. For example, game for game Walsh came back in and went to the top of the Carlton ratings tree relative to other Carlton players. Most ratings and stat analysis I have read have Walsh on average ahead of last season, yet those stats above have him on a downer!

[madbluboy]

Have I missed something, what are the numbers counting?

If it's some overall rating, how is it calculated?

It's an AFL rating whether you agree with how they come up with it or not they are comparing the player with themselves from last year. If they changed position that could effect the ranking but most are in the same role.