AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

[northernblue]

Im actually worried about Doc getting up.
He pulled up and was rubbing his right hammy and then went off and they were rubbing his left !

[LP]

Im actually worried about Doc getting up.
He pulled up and was rubbing his right hammy and then went off and they were rubbing his left !

Cramping

[northernblue]

Cramping

I hope so

[Baggers]

More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.

[Gointocarlton]

More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.

I watched a clip from Footy Classified where both Bartell and Lloyd said Voss should be focusing on the positives in an effort to build up the their confidence which is rock bottom right now. Jimmy in particular said the Geel group responded to that type of reinforcement far better than the reviews which were all about showing vision and saying "you should have done this, you should have done that". He suggested show them highlights of the good passages of play say from early last year to remind them them they good footballer, are Brownlow Medallists, are Coleman Medallists, can execute under pressure. I think right now, it appears to me the whole club is as low as pregnant ant so this level of reinforcement needs to start from the leaders top down.
Anyway, I found the comments interesting but certainly worth trying some Navy Seal type stuff. That SAS TV show is exactly what its all about.

[ElwoodBlues1]

More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.

The enjoyment levels look low, you look at Collingwood and they had the big mothers day special lunch with Mccreery's mum giving the players a gee up before the game and making it fun and all the players seem happy and bonded up.
Sidebottom said recently that McRae had ended any player hierarchy stuff as well.
No private groups , ratpacks or senior players ignoring younger players.
Everyone equal and getting a say, was told they don't do the lecture theatre stuff much anymore and he prefers small private rooms where players are closer and feel connected.

[LordLucifer]

Kemp has to come back in, he reads the ball very well and is an excellent intercept mark which will be of great benefit on the smaller SCG.

[LordLucifer]

Sidebottom said recently that McRae had ended any player hierarchy stuff as well.
No private groups , ratpacks or senior players ignoring younger players.
Everyone equal and getting a say, was told they don't do the lecture theatre stuff much anymore and he prefers small private rooms where players are closer and feel connected.

Was talking on the phone with Raydan this morning about the player hierarchy thing and we are near certain it still exists at Carlton and will for some time unless certain people are removed.

It's holding us back big time !!!

[LordLucifer]

More than anything, the thing that I would love to see with our group this Friday night is a concerted effort to focus on trust in each other and leadership.

We know that they all know how to kick, handball, tackle, run, mark and so on. But this really does look like a group bereft of trust in themselves, trust in each other (which destroys any opportunity to build confidence) and strong on-field leadership.

We have been doing plenty of things to undermine trust... silly misses on goal, dropped marks, poor handballs, silly choices/options - all symptoms of a lack of trust/confidence. A vicious cycle. The result? Playing safe, slow footy. No risks or boldness. Easily defeated/deflated.

To be candid, and I declare my bias having come from a military background/environment (Navy), I'd get a retired (you're never an 'ex') Navy Seal into the place to put these blokes through the exercises/disciplines required to build trust and leadership. Declarations of 'working harder' are rubbish, not to mention the implication that we've not being working hard enough. There are no issues with effort. 'Working smarter' would be more appropriate. And this cr@p about not getting too high or too low is a recipe for beige. The skill is to limit and contain the big highs and lows. Allow the highs and hurts for a time, then harness.

Could not agree with you any more .... well said  Baggers !!!

Time has come to feck off with this "get to work" crap, Sayers said it the other day, Docherty said it and Voss sprouts it ad nauseum.

[LordLucifer]

The big thing Raydan & I discussed this morning was the fact that there is no honesty in the selection policy. If a guy in the seconds busts his guts & plays a blinder he doesn't get a promotion to the seniors even though there were 2-3 players who were woeful and deserve to be dropped.

If you know you won't get axed, then what is the driving force for a player to make that smother, put your body in harms way to protect a team-mate ??

Luke Hodge & Joel Selwood would always come off the field battered & bruised, they were true leaders and it made the rest of the team follow their example, how could you look them in the eye and say "nah, I'm not doing that" ?? 

We need to reward performance, not mollycoddle the "cliche".

To that end, the match committee need to put the line in the sand now, start a new process from this week with some tough selections that send a strong message that "close enough is not good enough". Let's be honest, we aren't playing finals this year so let's work on setting things up for 2024.

VFL stats : Tom De Koning (23 disposals & 34 hitouts) Paddy Dow (41 disposals), Binns (30 disposals)

OUT : Silvagni, McGovern, Acres, E. Curnow, Durdin, Boyd

IN : TDK, Cincotta, Cowan, Kemp, Dow, Binns

Move Docherty & Saad across the centrleine & midfield to add some grunt, pace & delivery to our attack.