AFL Rd 10 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

[Blue Moon]

Basically as expected. Not at the level necessary to compete in a big match at the start of the match. Can't hit targets coming out of defence, in the midfield or going into the forward line. Poor decision making, not enough run, playing as individuals, no overall game plan, no trust in one another, no one knows what their team mates will do with the ball, lack of pace in ball movement and across the ground and no one plays with passion and flair.
There is no future in McGovern, Silvagni has never kicked a bag of goals in over 100 games.Time to go back. Bring TDK into the side as a forward ruck.  If we are going to keep kicking it long into the forward line at least he would give us a third target. Need to bring in Fisher and Dow. At least they have pace. Not sure Curnow and Hewitt can play in the same side. Durden and Acres might need a rest.
When will it end. When will a Carlton team make a real change at it. I can't remember when we were better in the second half of the season than the first. This does not bode well for the future.

[pinot]

Then we should win next week no problems right?

Yes I think we will beat Sydney.

[Gointocarlton]

Basically as expected. Not at the level necessary to compete in a big match at the start of the match. Can't hit targets coming out of defence, in the midfield or going into the forward line. Poor decision making, not enough run, playing as individuals, no overall game plan, no trust in one another, no one knows what their team mates will do with the ball, lack of pace in ball movement and across the ground and no one plays with passion and flair.
There is no future in McGovern, Silvagni has never kicked a bag of goals in over 100 games.Time to go back. Bring TDK into the side as a forward ruck.  If we are going to keep kicking it long into the forward line at least he would give us a third target. Need to bring in Fisher and Dow. At least they have pace. Not sure Curnow and Hewitt can play in the same side. Durden and Acres might need a rest.
When will it end. When will a Carlton team make a real change at it. I can't remember when we were better in the second half of the season than the first. This does not bode well for the future.

Fisher was bloody aweful in the 3 qtrs I watched, dont know how he went in the 4th but the first three were definitely sub standard. If Durds is injured then maybe he fills a spot but his form doesn't warrant it.

[LoveNavy]

He's on coach no 4, Ed C on his 5th. Just saying.

That's got to be a record. Just not the right kind of record ?

[Thryleon]

Game was over 10 minutes into the first quarter.

If we sack another coach, then we should be going with a playing coach. 

We've exhausted all other options.

[Thryleon]

That's got to be a record. Just not the right kind of record ?

marc Murphy has them both covered.

[laj]

Not sure how this is Voss and the list as just missed playing finals last season.

I think the team is 2 x high quality small forwards short of a flag but to make 8-6th more than good enough imo.

And we did it last year with half a side most weeks.

[kruddler]

Yep
It may be time to give Cripps a change of scenery.

Seriously, I'm not sure there was a lot in it but we'll put our own interpretations on it.

There's a general feeling that Cripps may have played a large part in Teague's demise.
That could also extend to Bolton.
But that's speculation.

What is probably not speculation is that Cripps wields a lot of influence over the playing group.

If it did come to a showdown it may be that the Captain moves this time rather than the coach.

But as I said that's speculation, maybe even wild speculation.

I got lambasted for suggesting the same thing last time.
Someone even brought it up last week.

Sometimes your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness.

No cripps, no carlton? Maybe. Maybe not.

TBH, i didn't see the exchange between the 2, but this is (at least) the second time its been speculated on, most likely the third.
Cripps or not, players have always held too much sway at the club when looking at coaches.
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.

We are up to what....#5 now?
I'm sure that saying extends to "Five times and its clear as f***ing day what the problem is!"

Whether Cripps is a problem or not, the coach is the one we should build around as a good one can outlive each and every player you have at the club.
Look at the premiership winning coaches of the past 20 years. All but a select few have won a flag in their 4th year (or longer) as head coach.
The only exceptions to that rule is...
Chris Scott - He took over a premiership calibre team from Bomber and won in his first year.
John Longmire - Long-term understudy to Paul Roos who was transitioned from senior assistant into Full-time head coach over seasons but won in his second(?) year as actual coach.
Luke Beveridge - He won in his second year but only finished 7th on the ladder. Never finished top 4 and has only won a final (albeit 3) in one other season in his 9 seasons as coach.

So....you need to back a coach in and work around him.
I'm not sure we have the balls, or the patience, to actually do that.

[Thryleon]

I got lambasted for suggesting the same thing last time.
Someone even brought it up last week.

Sometimes your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness.

No cripps, no carlton? Maybe. Maybe not.

TBH, i didn't see the exchange between the 2, but this is (at least) the second time its been speculated on, most likely the third.
Cripps or not, players have always held too much sway at the club when looking at coaches.
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.

We are up to what....#5 now?
I'm sure that saying extends to "Five times and its clear as f***ing day what the problem is!"

Whether Cripps is a problem or not, the coach is the one we should build around as a good one can outlive each and every player you have at the club.
Look at the premiership winning coaches of the past 20 years. All but a select few have won a flag in their 4th year (or longer) as head coach.
The only exceptions to that rule is...
Chris Scott - He took over a premiership calibre team from Bomber and won in his first year.
John Longmire - Long-term understudy to Paul Roos who was transitioned from senior assistant into Full-time head coach over seasons but won in his second(?) year as actual coach.
Luke Beveridge - He won in his second year but only finished 7th on the ladder. Never finished top 4 and has only won a final (albeit 3) in one other season in his 9 seasons as coach.

So....you need to back a coach in and work around him.
I'm not sure we have the balls, or the patience, to actually do that.

We've only had 1 out of our last 4 coaches (includes voss) make it past year 2 without being declared a failure and pretty sure Bolton was on thin ice when it happened. 

Just remember I called it first.  Voss has 4 weeks left.

[Micky0]

When was the Voss Cripps exchange? I’d like to go back and see it.