AFL Rd 10 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

[LoveNavy]

Pies by 26.
Hope it's Blues by 26, but... 

Go Blues- time to click

[Baggers]

Pies by 26.
Hope it's Blues by 26, but... 

Go Blues- time to click

Against BrisVegas I think you predicted 16... not far off the mark. So... gulp!

I've lowered my expectations. Just hoping for a four qtr good showing... with more instinctual, bold movement of the aggott, and dare I say... everyone with a better than 65% disposal! 1975... Supertramp!!!

[cookie2]

If we don't change anything  following the Dogs game then we would be looking at a 30ish points loss imo.

Let's hope a few things will have improved.

[pinot]

I actually think we did well against the Dogs just need to do the 2nd half and abit last week for four quarters.

Can't have 29 entries for one goal and minimum score board impact - small forwards need to lift the whole teams needs to find another gear and play four quarters first time this year. Wouldn't mind to see a line in the sand game and start the game with a brawl to soften them up.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Slow motion Blues … from Riley Beveridge on AFL.com
Carlton is among the slowest ball-movement sides in the competition.

According to Champion Data, the Blues rank No.3 for disposals this season. However, despite possessing so much of the ball, they rank No.14 for inside-50s. Quite simply, they're not controlling the footy in the most dangerous areas.

To further illustrate that, Carlton ranks No.16 in the league for percentage of kicks going forward. For context, only Hawthorn and North Melbourne rate lower. The Blues also rank No.16 for percentage of kicks going long.

Too many players racking up useless stats , kicking too short and taking us nowhere apart from allowing opposition teams time to get back in numbers and clog our forward line.

[LP]

Too many players racking up useless stats , kicking too short and taking us nowhere apart from allowing opposition teams time to get back in numbers and clog our forward line.

Yet, ironically I'd say one of our biggest problems are the long bombs into F50.

It's pretty easy to imagine you found the issue when you look at the stats, but it is a stark contrast to what many of us think are the real problems.

Let's face it, when that last kick goes directly to an opposition player, how many attempts we have, how quickly they happen and how long the kicks might be doesn't really make much difference. We miss targets from 20m and from 60m pretty much equally.

If I had a guess, I'd say when entering F50 we tend to try and kick to a player, rather than kicking to the clear space we want the player to move into. I recall back in the day Fev would go ballistic when player up the field sat the footy on his head, or worse over his head, he wanted it out in front and if there was to be an error then make it too short not too long, and definitely not too slow and high.

But we've been doing this crap for almost two decades, and just last weekend multiple times we sat the pill on Motlop's or Durdin's head, not that it helps if Motlop isn't moving because you basically have to pick him out.

With a player like Charlie, the slow movement might actually help him, because aerobically he has almost all opponents easily covered and gets them on the final lead every time!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yet, ironically I'd say one of our biggest problems are the long bombs into F50.

It's pretty easy to imagine you found the issue when you look at the stats, but it is a stark contrast to what many of us think are the real problems.

Let's face it, when that last kick goes directly to an opposition player, how many attempts we have, how quickly they happen and how long the kicks might be doesn't really make much difference. We miss targets from 20m and from 60m pretty much equally.

If I had a guess, I'd say when entering F50 we tend to try and kick to a player, rather than kicking to the clear space we want the player to move into. I recall back in the day Fev would go ballistic when player up the field sat the footy on his head, or worse over his head, he wanted it out in front and if there was to be an error then make it too short not too long, and definitely not too slow and high.

Look at the midfielder disposal stats(fox footy) vs Impact....only Cerra at No 52 is in the top 100....Walsh and Cripps are in the 300's.
Kennedy and Hewett are outside the top hundred and 200 respectively.....very hard to win games when your prime movers cant use the ball well and connect with your forwards.
Trent Cotchin went through a period where he racked up useless ineffective stats between half back and half forward and we have 3-4 Cotchins doing the same stuff for us.....3rd for possession yet 14th for I50's....time for Voss to make some changes and get more effective players in the middle bringing the ball forward.
Maybe Saad has to play further up the ground for example and we play through him more.......

[Gointocarlton]

Against BrisVegas I think you predicted 16... not far off the mark. So... gulp!

I've lowered my expectations. Just hoping for a four qtr good showing... with more instinctual, bold movement of the aggott, and dare I say... everyone with a better than 65% disposal! 1975... Supertramp!!!

First game back at the G since round 2, we are, and I expect to see, a different Carlton which will beat the Pies.

[deepbluesee]

But we've been doing this crap for almost two decades, and just last weekend multiple times we sat the pill on Motlop's or Durdin's head, not that it helps if Motlop isn't moving because you basically have to pick him out.

I have noticed way too many times players putting the ball  on the head of one of the smaller players - giving them little or no chance - at the end of the day this is simply a wasted inside 50. I have often wondered when a player going forward looks up and sees only a Motlop or a Durdin if they would not create a better contest by skidding it along the ground and give the much smaller player a chance to contest at ground level rather than in the air.

[ElwoodBlues1]

First game back at the G since round 2, we are, and I expect to see, a different Carlton which will beat the Pies.

I think we can win too....not based on much logic apart from the fact the Pies have been up a while and are a tad cocky and we should have a backs to the wall approach which should harden our resolve.
They will come in expecting to run over the top of us but I expect to build up a lead and hold this time.
Charlie and Harry are our two aces and I expect a 8-10 goal haul....
If we had won againt the Dogs I would have expected us to get hammered but its all about timing and momentum and this week I expect us to be up and about with Cripps and Walsh leading the way.
Blues by 15 points......Swans will probably beat us the following week but if we can beat Collingwood and Essendon then I will be more than happy as I despise both clubs.