CV and mad panic behaviour

[northernblue]

Before you do, you should check the risk factor of that alcohol and chips, it won’t be pretty…

[cookie2]

It's Friday so I walk on the wild side. Sausage roll for lunch, a pie for tea whilst watching the footy, washed down with an Asahi, two glasses of wine and probably two generous "Singleton" scotches before turning in for a well earned rest. Mmm ummm! I love living on the edge ???

[LP]

Thanks for correcting my math error however it doesn’t change my point. Covid in that age group is very very rare and the closing of playgrounds schools etc were not remotely in line with the risk on that age demographic. Spin it any way you want that’s a fact!

COVID being rare in that demographic isn't a fact it's a fantasy, you have confused mortality rates and virulence.

The people caring long term for their COVID affected children, children who were otherwise healthy prior to the virus, won't share your perspective, they might even find it slightly abhorrent!

PS: So happy to hear you want higher rates of Under 30s dying before you bother to act!

[shawny]

COVID being rare in that demographic isn't a fact it's a fantasy, you have confused mortality rates and virulence.

The people caring long term for their COVID affected children, children who were otherwise healthy prior to the virus, won't share your perspective, they might even find it slightly abhorrent!

PS: So happy to hear you want higher rates of Under 30s dying before you bother to act!

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[northernblue]

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The Black Plague obviously didn’t kill my ancestors so it was media hype too I guess… ?

[Thryleon]

The strategy of being more rather than less cautious, the strategy of trying to protect everyone, with an emphasis on those most vulnerable, even if it meant that the relatively healthy among us had to be inconvenienced (perhaps even highly inconvenienced) is completely bang on IMO. Covid wasn't a known quantity. It's hard to plan for a shifting and initially unknown target and keep everyone happy.

Of course, like most, I never enjoyed lockdowns, working from home, travel restrictions, schooling from home etc., but it was the right approach IMO.

I was fine with it, until I saw how the mandates were applied to people.

It was very much get vaccinated or else.

They lost me and many others in some circumstances that you just had to witness to believe.  Imagine staring at a 20 year nurse 6 months pregnant offering to start maternity leave early and only return to work fully vaccinated and instead tear up her employment contract.

Needless to say, she won't be back.  Nurse educator in cardiology and ICU lost to the system for a vaccine that provides very limited personal protection vs a high risk pregnancy given her age.  I know which I'd choose, because sometimes you have to play the percentages.

[PaulP]

I was fine with it, until I saw how the mandates were applied to people.

It was very much get vaccinated or else.

They lost me and many others in some circumstances that you just had to witness to believe.  Imagine staring at a 20 year nurse 6 months pregnant offering to start maternity leave early and only return to work fully vaccinated and instead tear up her employment contract.

Needless to say, she won't be back.  Nurse educator in cardiology and ICU lost to the system for a vaccine that provides very limited personal protection vs a high risk pregnancy given her age.  I know which I'd choose, because sometimes you have to play the percentages.

No doubt one man's circumspect, cautious approach is another man's hysterical overreaction. I get that. You will always have fallout, exceptions to the norm and hard luck stories in situations like this. It's unavoidable. If you want to roll the dice, you take whatever fate has in store for you. You can look at Sweden for example, and their more relaxed approach was certainly not without some measure of success - but as always, both God and the Devil reside in the detail :

https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-...own-188338

You can look at another country that took a similar approach, the US, and it's a very different story.

[Thryleon]

No doubt one man's circumspect, cautious approach is another man's hysterical overreaction. I get that. You will always have fallout, exceptions to the norm and hard luck stories in situations like this. It's unavoidable. If you want to roll the dice, you take whatever fate has in store for you. You can look at Sweden for example, and their more relaxed approach was certainly not without some measure of success - but as always, both God and the Devil reside in the detail :

https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-...own-188338

You can look at another country that took a similar approach, the US, and it's a very different story.

For some strange reason this conversation gets invariably extrapolated to an extreme I.e. showing data from Sweden who chose not to lock down.

Why?

Complaining about the vaccine mandate and how it was applied to the public vs lockdowns are two different scenarios.

Put the vaccines into people choosing to have it and let the others go without then show me the figures.  Thing is I don't think this data can be collected.

We just told them that they should get vaccinated or they can lose their livelihood.  This nurse still hasn't been vaccinated but now she's fine to work anyway because no one cares if you have or have been vaccinated anymore, because the vaccine only offers personal protection and now common sense has finally prevailed. 



Anecdotally, statistics should have seen rising deaths recently as vaccine immunity wanes and people don't get their boosters.  You can bet the farm that hasn't happened else it would have been screamed about from the rooftops so it looks like that was bullcrap too.

The irony is that the economic impact of this is actually causing more issues than the pandemic did now as people are unable to seek health care because its no longer affordable which is going to cause more death and health care pressure because waiting 6 hours in an ED is cheaper than paying to see a GP.

For the last 10 years they've been encouraging people not to waste time lining up in emergency rooms and get a referral from a GP.  Thats not happening now. 

I'd love to see the change in statistics on that.

[Baggers]

I recall that when we all (warning: another tired Navy story!) lined up for a barrage of inoculations at recruit school (HMAS Cerberus) there was an expectation that a small number of blokes would react badly, some even hospitalised, and would subsequently not be able to join. We received yellow fever, TB, smallpox and another I forget all in one go. Apparently a few young blokes per year would end up in a critical condition or worse.

The point of this missive is that there was one inoculation (vaccination) where every one had a test for tolerance... a tiny injection under the skin of the forearm (underside) to test reaction (think it was smallpox, maybe TB). If a small watery blister came up in a few days you would good to go for the major injection. If not, you were discharged as the major injection would be very problematic. I wonder if a tiny, test dose could be used for Covid variants and other future nasty viruses to ascertain some level of suitability?

[ElwoodBlues1]

I recall that when we all (warning: another tired Navy story!) lined up for a barrage of inoculations at recruit school (HMAS Cerberus) there was an expectation that a small number of blokes would react badly, some even hospitalised, and would subsequently not be able to join. We received yellow fever, TB, smallpox and another I forget all in one go. Apparently a few young blokes per year would end up in a critical condition or worse.

The point of this missive is that there was one inoculation (vaccination) where every one had a test for tolerance... a tiny injection under the skin of the forearm (underside) to test reaction (think it was smallpox, maybe TB). If a small watery blister came up in a few days you would good to go for the major injection. If not, you were discharged as the major injection would be very problematic. I wonder if a tiny, test dose could be used for Covid variants and other future nasty viruses to ascertain some level of suitability?

TB...we had them at primary school, the blister/lump meant you got the big needle and a round scar down the track.
A couple of kids in our class didn't get the blister...we had our school milk in the morning as usual and a few kids managed to puke that up after getting the needle.
And as usual the school milk had been left outside in the sun and was in no condition to drink but we all had to finish our little bottles...