CV and mad panic behaviour

[Baggers]

Mrs DJC and I are booked in for our 5th COVID vaccination.  The person taking our details asked when we last had COVID and was quite surprised when we said never.

I suppose that we could have been infected and asymptomatic but I think the chances of that are pretty slim.

Yours truly also booked in for another booster yesterday. I was also asked about having Covid recently and my response was similar to yours. I asked the Doc what difference it would make if I'd had Covid recently to having another jab... his response was that after infection there is a natural immunity for a short while due to our own immune system, and that a jab would be a waste as a result.

[Mav]

It’s a mistake to generalise our own experiences to represent everybody else’s experiences. Just because Covid didn’t affect you greatly doesn’t mean it didn’t affect anyone else greatly (especially when the number of deaths was so high). The next pandemic might not be so kind to you while others get off scott free.

This is the big difference between sexual and asexual reproduction. Parthenogenesis ensures that the whole population has the same exposure to disease and can lead to a mass die-off. But sexual reproduction leads to variations in the genes that can help some of the population avoid illness. I linked an article that one such variation helped some people survive the Black Death and the same variation may have helped people avoid Covid. On the other hand, it predisposed those people to diabetes.

It’s also a bit rash to assume away the benefits of vaccination. Maybe the vaccine ensured that Covid didn’t have much affect on you when you caught it.

Finally, dwelling on the possibility that you could have blown off the vaccine and other preventative measures given that Covid ultimately had little impact on you is pointless. How could you know this ahead of time? The early advice was that age and certain co-morbidities increased one’s exposure and this was reflected in the vaccination release dates. But as with insurance, is it a wasted expense just because the risk you’re insuring against didn’t occur? Quite a few years back, there was some research that suggested that cannabis generally didn’t cause schizophrenia but in a small number of cases a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia could be activated by heavy cannabis use. The problem at least at that time was that there wasn’t a test available to determine whether a particular person was at risk. Therefore a heavy cannabis smoker who didn’t suffer from schizophrenia would be able to say there was no connection while a heavy cannabis smoker who developed schizophrenia would be able to say the link was clear.

[LP]

The debate will continue to rage simply because there are those who want to profit from misdirection, a good example is the current debate about vaccine harm and death rates.

But those debating the issue always omit a simple but very critical aspect of the global situation, no vaccine, as for that matter nothing at all, that you put into your body goes in without some risk. Whether it's water or a venom, everything has potential to either impact somebody or have no obvious effect at all! This is the simple situation when the scale of the event is large enough.

I think the bigger crime is that those debates divert attention from the real crime, which has been the inaction of authorities to prepare for this inevitable pandemic event, and on economic grounds they are already shutting down efforts to prepare for the next one.

[LP]

Finally, dwelling on the possibility that you could have blown off the vaccine and other preventative measures given that Covid ultimately had little impact on you is pointless. How could you know this ahead of time? The early advice was that age and certain co-morbidities increased one’s exposure and this was reflected in the vaccination release dates. But as with insurance, is it a wasted expense just because the risk you’re insuring against didn’t occur? Quite a few years back, there was some research that suggested that cannabis generally didn’t cause schizophrenia but in a small number of cases a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia could be activated by heavy cannabis use. The problem at least at that time was that there wasn’t a test available to determine whether a particular person was at risk. Therefore a heavy cannabis smoker who didn’t suffer from schizophrenia would be able to say there was no connection while a heavy cannabis smoker who developed schizophrenia would be able to say the link was clear.

Humans are horrendous at identifying and assessing risk, which seems to be an evolutionary trait of most numerous species in that there is no need to preserve individuals, so why waste the resource on developing an acute sense of risk?

[Baggers]

It’s a mistake to generalise our own experiences to represent everybody else’s experiences. Just because Covid didn’t affect you greatly doesn’t mean it didn’t affect anyone else greatly (especially when the number of deaths was so high). The next pandemic might not be so kind to you while others get off scott free.

It’s also a bit rash to assume away the benefits of vaccination. Maybe the vaccine ensured that Covid didn’t have much affect on you when you caught it.

Completely agree, Wingman MAV. Personally, I have very little doubt that the vaccines/boosters I've had have contributed in no small way to me being symptom free for quite some time, and quite possibly asymptomatic when infected. Next booster booked.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The ivermectin boosters weren't worth listening to because they had a foot in two camps and couldn't figure out if COVID was a legitimate threat, and whether or not medication was required, but if it was required, then Ivermectin would solve it and not the vaccine, which is completely hypocritical and sounds more like "I'll do anything but take a vaccine".

A very stupid way to address the pandemic with concerns that are somewhat valid to begin with and make genuine critics sound crazy by association which is the only reason they got attention to start with because it helps make people sheep.  After the whole vaccination stand that was taken, there was no way to say "oops, we got that and a few other things wrong", so the same line will be towed until someone is brave enough to come forward and tell us with certainty about the true lessons learned.

For mine, COVID is nothing too concerning and managed easily enough by Panadol or Paracetemol.  I wouldn't be indulging in fanciful fixes like Ivermectin even if they worked.

Whether or not the vaccine works as advertised is another story.  It may be a prophylactic for getting COVID as far as we can tell or it might do nothing but provide people some confidence.  Using my own case study, despite living normally I dodged COVID until 12 months after my 3rd vaccination which lends weight to it offering some level of protection, but a problem there is knowing whether or not I got near a positive case.  I have no way to know this with any confidence because I associated with too few people even though I was out in public to know if someone actually caught COVID around me and was a close contact extremely infrequently.  If you are worried about it, or compromised, get vaccinated, but there is no need to force the masses who are like me to get vaccinated. 

So draw your own conclusion from the above.  I'm going to let my immune system fight it with assistance from Panadol rather than go the vaccine route from now on, because that suits me fine and even at my worst covid symptoms, I didnt really need medical assistance, just some good old fashioned bed rest and couch time to recover with Panadol keeping the fever down.

Not sure why rest, hydration and downtime aren't the immediate go to fixes for illness these days.  Perhaps it has something to do with the bulk billing model where doctors only get paid on a visit, and that means bring your patients back daily to give them a certificate rather than giving them a chunk of time off to rest.  Happened to me a few years back.  Copped Gastro on Saturday, hadn't held food down and went to the GP on monday.  Gave me a certificate for one day.  Went back the next day still not having eaten food and got another one day cert when all I could do was keep my fluids up.  The next day went to another GP, who upon hearing that I hadnt eaten for almost 5 days and was still not keeping any food down, gave me the rest of the week off, told me to keep hydrated and rest.  Why do I need 3 visits to a GP to get 5 days off work when I was incapable of digesting food properly and was effectively peeing out of my A-Hole? 

The answer is that some doctors were too busy maximising their medicare returns.  A poor practise, and if you live in the Northern Suburbs, I know he practises out of two medical clinics, and one of them is close to Campbellfield, and the other is near Greensborough and Ill give you his name if you PM me.  More just to keep him honest if you visit him.  I have since stopped seeing him and have switched to a non bulk billing medical centre, because if I am paying for it, at very least the duty of care is not to fleece me.

Pro Tip...if The Doctor you see doesnt part or fully own the clinic you are going to then dont bother, bulk billing clinics where you dont see the same doctor twice are to be avoided if you can. Same with outpatient clinics at Public Hospitals, choose a Private specialist not the outpatients clinic at your local public hospital if you have the means and choice.
Re: CoVid Vaccines......not a fan after my heart issues and more research is required, Did hear there is a Norwegian study just finished that provides some interesting results but I guess every side of the story has a research paper to back up its claims so the truth will probably sit in the middle somewhere but never come to light publicly .

[cookie2]

After having my 4th shot I had very nasty dose of Covid last July, that laid me very low for 3 weeks. Not good at all. Yet to have the 5th. Not sure which way to go at this stage.

[DJC]

I got my 5th shot today; the Pfizer bivalent booster.  My shoulder’s a little sore but I’m as normal as I can be.

The jabs were administered in a part of the clinic I hadn’t really been to before and it was decorated with footy photographs.  Very prominent were the Juddster, Jezza’s mark and our photoshopped team of the century team photograph.  The latter is a little weird but quite well done. 

All in all, a worthwhile trip to the doctor’s ?

[LP]

This is how unscrupulous and morally bankrupt News Ltd is,

Today they published the following headline, they know the vast bulk of readers only ever read the headline, but after reading see the opening lines below;
Vaccinated Aussie Dies after Bali Trip
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A 23-year-old woman from the Gold Coast, who had just returned from a trip to Bali with mates, went from feeling fine to dying within 24 hours, her devastated parents have said.

Bella Fidler thought she might have caught Covid-19, but by the time it was discovered she had a deadly strain of meningitis, it was tragically too late to save her.

Now Ms Fidler’s parents are calling for a vaccine for the deadly meningococcal B strain of meningitis to be made more widely available..........................

[Thryleon]

Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...inued.html