AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

[shawny]

Lods, McGovern is probably an essential component for our success, and straight away there is a major problem.

How can we build a reliable defence which includes a player who is more likely than not to be injured for a major part of the season?

For how many years have we wasted a spot on our list because we believe Marchbank, when fit, is an essential player?

While we have Martin, Williams, Cuningham and half a dozen players barely at AFL level clogging up our list we will remain a mediocre, middle of the road side. 

Nailed it.  Couldnt agree more

[LP]

Where is our team desire to win and kill the opposition? It’s just not there.

Sick of the injuries too, every year same old.

On these two points, one may be a cause of the other.

We lack the killer instinct, we look glad to be there at times, not like we belong at all, when the heat is on we become victims and victims are always the ones who get hurt.

Until we learn to inflict some pain, we will continue to suffer it!

[tonyo]

There is no doubt we got the shortest of short straws for the Gather Round.....

Adelaide, on the other hand get an extra home game (Port Adelaide too).

To make the weekend totally fair, those two should have played each other.

[LP]

To make the weekend totally fair, those two should have played each other.

Of course the AFL is all about fairness over profit, ..........not, so they have gone for 2 x Sell Out Crowds over one blockbuster!

Not sure the AFL had even planned our meek surrender, I think they might have preferred a stirring Crows win over a steamroll!

[Blue Moon]

That was as appalling an effort I have watched for a long time. I haven't watched Voss' press conference but I understand he made some comment about not turning up to play. I have argued a long time that Carlton's lack of success has not been about the quality of the players, coaches, football department, the CEO, administration or even the Board, though it would be good if they wood just get out of the way sometimes, I believe that the problem at Carlton is all about the Club Culture. Elliot and his cronies absolutely destroyed our winning culture and the Club has been unable to re-find it. Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. The Club is the most comfortable and rewarding environment for any player to achieve mediocracy. We sack coaches, change administrations and seek success from outsiders while taking no responsibility and showing no leadership from within. I think the Club was pretty comfortable finishing ninth last season. We had all summer to dwell on how unlucky we were and how we were ready to take the next step. As I have said, I don't think we missed out on the top eight last season, I think we missed out on the top four.
Last night the team lacked pace, lacked skills, lacked endeavor, lacked leadership, lacked fitness, didn't play as a team, didn't run out the quarters and didn't turn up. Picking and choosing when they are going to play and have a go has been a problem at the Club since the late nineties. This is what I am referring to when I say the problem is culture. The players and coaches keep saying what an honour it is to play in front of the large and passionate Carlton member and supporter base but they regularly treat us with disrespect and contempt by simply not being bothered or prepared to have a go.
When was the last time a Carlton team went on a run and won a large number of games in a row and set the competition alight. How often do we paly exhilarating games of football. Setanta and his little helpers, Geelong in 2011, the second half against Brisbane when Teague took over, the comeback against the Bulldogs, the win against the Dockers when Murphy kicked the winning goal. That is five games in fifteen years. And it is not about winning. We lost that game against the Bulldogs but the crowd was roaring. So here we are again, another season and the same old rubbish. We have the players, we have the coaches, we have the administration but it is still the same old Carlton. Time to sack the Coach and change the Board. That always works.
One thing we do need is more pace in the mid-field. The only two players we have who fit this criteria are Dow and Fisher. It is interesting that the only time this season our mid-field has been effective was when Fisher was up their.

[BluePhantom]

That was as appalling an effort I have watched for a long time. I haven't watched Voss' press conference but I understand he made some comment about not turning up to play. I have argued a long time that Carlton's lack of success has not been about the quality of the players, coaches, football department, the CEO, administration or even the Board, though it would be good if they wood just get out of the way sometimes, I believe that the problem at Carlton is all about the Club Culture. Elliot and his cronies absolutely destroyed our winning culture and the Club has been unable to re-find it. Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. The Club is the most comfortable and rewarding environment for any player to achieve mediocracy. We sack coaches, change administrations and seek success from outsiders while taking no responsibility and showing no leadership from within. I think the Club was pretty comfortable finishing ninth last season. We had all summer to dwell on how unlucky we were and how we were ready to take the next step. As I have said, I don't think we missed out on the top eight last season, I think we missed out on the top four.
Last night the team lacked pace, lacked skills, lacked endeavor, lacked leadership, lacked fitness, didn't play as a team, didn't run out the quarters and didn't turn up. Picking and choosing when they are going to play and have a go has been a problem at the Club since the late nineties. This is what I am referring to when I say the problem is culture. The players and coaches keep saying what an honour it is to play in front of the large and passionate Carlton member and supporter base but they regularly treat us with disrespect and contempt by simply not being bothered or prepared to have a go.
When was the last time a Carlton team went on a run and won a large number of games in a row and set the competition alight. How often do we paly exhilarating games of football. Setanta and his little helpers, Geelong in 2011, the second half against Brisbane when Teague took over, the comeback against the Bulldogs, the win against the Dockers when Murphy kicked the winning goal. That is five games in fifteen years. And it is not about winning. We lost that game against the Bulldogs but the crowd was roaring. So here we are again, another season and the same old rubbish. We have the players, we have the coaches, we have the administration but it is still the same old Carlton. Time to sack the Coach and change the Board. That always works.
One thing we do need is more pace in the mid-field. The only two players we have who fit this criteria are Dow and Fisher. It is interesting that the only time this season our mid-field has been effective was when Fisher was up their.

PICKING AND CHOOSING  >  sums it up and wraps it up in a nice little bow.

PS Nice post! 

[BluePhantom]

I heard somewhere today the Cows had 10 players that had played under 50 games.
Uummm, does that mean we are looking at a rebuild already?
Look at the way they played!
We have young fellas in the wings.  .....don't we?

[LoveNavy]

I heard somewhere today the Cows had 10 players that had played under 50 games.
Uummm, does that mean we are looking at a rebuild already?
Look at the way they played!
We have young fellas in the wings.  .....don't we?

Commentary during the pre-game referenced 10 of 22 round 1 draft picks. Not sure about under 50 games though.

[LoveNavy]

Looked tired and flat need a 10 day break
But need some changes as TDK can't handle the ruck and he has Rowan Marshall next week.

Only problem I see with this. This is a normal season and our schedule is the same as the other 17 clubs.

[LordLucifer]

There were two umpiring decisions that really shat me off last night.

The intentional OOB against Fisher & the 50m penalty against Kennedy were disgraceful, nothing less.

If you can watch the game again (not sure many will) pay attention to both of those calls and you will see why they were plainly wrong.