The Voice

[LP]

Of course you’re right LP, no-one ever does anything for a cause or principles. It always has to be for financial gain.  Knowing the Thorpes for over 40 years and listening to them espouse their beliefs obviously blinded me to their real motivation ?

There are plenty of people to act on principles and demonstrate it, I have no issue with them so I don't have to discuss them, they are numerous I suppose because they are the vast majority of society so they blend into the background of public affairs.

It's the one's who seemingly act in a way that is less than genuine that get discussed the most, so perhaps if you are that close you best give Thorpe some friendly advice then on how not to burn good will by appearing disingenuous.

As an aside, there have been several suburban councillors replaced / removed over the last few months, having been elected on false pretences or hidden agendas that were latterly exposed. We don't blink about that, we accept that is their fate and resigning or falling on their own sword is the right thing to do, so why is it different for an Indigenous Senator?

The right thing to do for Thorpe is to resign and run at the next election under her new banner.

[kruddler]

I’m starting to come around to this point of view.

Just do it!
We don’t need a referendum.
Just set it up in consultation with indigenous leaders. That’s a uniting process.

I think its so those in charge don't lose 'votes' by people who may oppose.
If it goes to a vote, those in charge have no blood on their hands.
If they just did it, they would.....in some peoples eyes.

[LP]

Those fear mongering are only able to sustain their argument because it's contains an element of potential truth, even in the absence of intent those doubts remain.

If those for and against amend their position to remove the ambiguity that exists, it will go a long way with the majority of people. Trusting people won't in some way misuse a quorum in the future isn't enough, it should be unambiguous in it's formulation and implementation. But it seems some still actively pursue a desire for things to remain vague, is that a cornerstone of change for the good, or the thin end of the wedge!

[Macca37]

Thorpe has the problem faced by previous politicians who have had a predominately one item agenda: when surrounded by a group of like-minded people they misread the room.

Her never ending call for a treaty before the Voice is playing right into the hands of conservative federal politicians - especially the Nationals.

Her enthusiasm for a treaty knows no bounds but she refuses to provide any details as to what it would look like.  All she is doing is confusing people who have little interest in either a treaty or the Voice and could vote No  in the referendum because of competing opinions on its merits.

If the Voice is defeated then Lidia's call for a treaty will be just a pipe dream.

[DJC]

Thorpe has the problem faced by previous politicians who have had a predominately one item agenda: when surrounded by a group of like-minded people they misread the room.

Her never ending call for a treaty before the Voice is playing right into the hands of conservative federal politicians - especially the Nationals.

Her enthusiasm for a treaty knows no bounds but she refuses to provide any details as to what it would look like.  All she is doing is confusing people who have little interest in either a treaty or the Voice and could vote No  in the referendum because of competing opinions on its merits.

If the Voice is defeated then Lidia's call for a treaty will be just a pipe dream.

I’m not sure that Lidia and those who share her views know exactly what it is they want.  She is opposed to the Victorian treaty process and I suspect that’s because those elected to the assembly don’t share her views, but then, very few do.

Sadly, Lidia and Jacinta Price are considered more newsworthy than the likes of Jana Stewart, Marcia Langton, Tom Calma and Noel Pearson (except when he’s kicking heads literally).

If the Voice doesn’t get up, the gap will get considerably wider.

[Lods]

How funny is this. )

Pauline and Lidia at the same desk in school ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fur...10153c5d24

[Baggers]

How funny is this. )

Pauline and Lidia at the same desk in school ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fur...10153c5d24

Oh dear. Well this will get interesting.

[DJC]

How funny is this. )

Pauline and Lidia at the same desk in school ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fur...10153c5d24

The teacher would be faced with lots of fierce hand raising and not one correct answer.

If it was up to me, I'd lock them in a room together 

[Lods]

The teacher would be faced with lots of fierce hand raising and not one correct answer.

If it was up to me, I'd lock them in a room together 

Give them a week together and they'd sort out all the issues.

[Gointocarlton]

Thorpe has the problem faced by previous politicians who have had a predominately one item agenda: when surrounded by a group of like-minded people they misread the room.

Her never ending call for a treaty before the Voice is playing right into the hands of conservative federal politicians - especially the Nationals.

Her enthusiasm for a treaty knows no bounds but she refuses to provide any details as to what it would look like.  All she is doing is confusing people who have little interest in either a treaty or the Voice and could vote No  in the referendum because of competing opinions on its merits.

If the Voice is defeated then Lidia's call for a treaty will be just a pipe dream.

When people like Thorpe, Hanson, Palmer, Meedick just to name a few are labelled "politicians", it's a sad indictment on Australian Politics.