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(10-24-2022, 04:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I assume when you say "we" you mean every and not just me? It seems to me the whole debate centers around extreme rhetoric.
My personal opinion is that people on the right politically take a cue from outlets like Fox and take things to an extreme, which I'm not sure is helpful. Nobody is suggesting that Rinehart be wiped from the earth for her old man's comments. You can't change the past. I suspect Wallam would have liked some dialogue, some acknowledgment from Rinehart about those comments, some give. Instead she got donuts.
IMO this was always going to be messy. As I stated earlier, sports are already in too deep, and the separation that needs to exist to allow Wallam's position to be effective and not suffer blowback no longer exists.
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(10-24-2022, 05:14 AM)PaulP link Wrote:My personal opinion is that people on the right politically take a cue from outlets like Fox and take things to an extreme, which I'm not sure is helpful. Nobody is suggesting that Rinehart be wiped from the earth for her old man's comments. You can't change the past. I suspect Wallam would have liked some dialogue, some acknowledgment from Rinehart about those comments, some give. Instead she got donuts.
IMO this was always going to be messy. As I stated earlier, sports are already in too deep, and the separation that needs to exist to allow Wallam's position to be effective and not suffer blowback no longer exists. Paul the players went rogue, NA did SFA, here we are. Its poor leadership from NA that has caused this. I'm certain Wallam would have been given all the info she needed had proper professional courtesy had been followed. Its nothing to do with left, right, up down, its just common sense.
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(10-24-2022, 05:30 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Paul the players went rogue, NA did SFA, here we are. Its poor leadership from NA that has caused this. I'm certain Wallam would have been given all the info she needed had proper professional courtesy had been followed. Its nothing to do with left, right, up down, its just common sense.
It does seem like amateur hour at NA, but I still think it's poor from Rinehart to simply leave them stranded like that. She could've and should've focussed on the higher ideal of doing what's best for Netball, the future of the sport etc. Instead.............
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(10-24-2022, 03:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:As for comments her idiot father may have made, I dont think for a minute Hancock Co. or Gina R support or condone such views today. Lets move on. Or, do we we wipe her from the face of the Earth for those comments?
You're not one for nuance are you GTC ?
"Hes my dad and I loved him to bits, but he was a product of different times" and IF pressed "No, i don't agree with that statement"
It's really not that hard is it ?
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(10-24-2022, 05:41 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It does seem like amateur hour at NA, but I still think it's poor from Rinehart to simply leave them stranded like that. She could've and should've focussed on the higher ideal of doing what's best for Netball, the future of the sport etc. Instead............. The only way to "unstupid" stupid people (like NA) is to "hit" them where it hurts. Nuffs enough. They won't make the mistake again, trust me.
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(10-24-2022, 05:43 AM)northernblue link Wrote:You're not one for nuance are you GTC ?
"Hes my dad and I loved him to bits, but he was a product of different times" and IF pressed "No, i don't agree with that statement"
It's really not that hard is it ? I have lost all patience.
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(10-24-2022, 05:41 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It does seem like amateur hour at NA, but I still think it's poor from Rinehart to simply leave them stranded like that. She could've and should've focussed on the higher ideal of doing what's best for Netball, the future of the sport etc. Instead.............
She has given them 4 months notice, more than what I would have given them.
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I find this a rather strange situation...for no other reason than I can see a validity and reason for both sides actions. : 
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I reckon Gina could have invited Ms Wallam for a cup of tea and a tim tam and showed her what Hancocks was about and that
it was nothing like the company founded by her old man many moons ago and had a different look on the community based on modern values.
All this saga would have been avoided and both company, player and NA could be winners but as usual humans prefer to pick sides and go to war early without thinking it through. Ms Wallam is a kid and Gina is meant to be a CEO/Leader who should know how to handle people from all walks of life and IMO the onus was on her to take some control and sort it out rather than taking her bat and ball and going home. Netball Australia wanted to talk, sort it out and I presume convinced Wallam to wear the logo but Gina had left the building after throwing the toys out the cot and ruined a golden opportunity to get some credibility in the community. Andrew Bolt had his say in the Herald Sun today about his mate Gina and it wouldnt even make good fish and chip paper it was that cringe worthy when he too had a chance to point out the only way forward in Aus is to get people talking and fix problems rather than run away from them like his buddy Gina did.
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(10-24-2022, 06:36 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:She has given them 4 months notice.................
Generous to a fault.
Wisecracks aside, no individual player or NA as a governing body made any comments about ending the sponsorship deal. One of the players "reportedly" said she did not want to wear the logo because of her concerns about the company’s record on Indigenous issues. There's nothing in anything that I can't find about individual players or NA setting a future direction about the deal. There's nothing about any dialogue, any attempts to discuss the issues. Once Hancock became aware of the stance taken by the team, they offered a 4 month olive branch and pulled the deal. Yes, 4 months is better than nothing, but it's not really the point IMO.
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