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(08-23-2022, 11:50 PM)Wet Willie link Wrote:The annoying thing about the finals is that we all know we are better than the Bulldogs and Lions, and can hold our own against the Magpies, Demons, Swans, Freo and Tigers... Cats still need some work.
A lot ot clubs will be sleeping better that we aren't there - but we will be!!
It's interesting isn't it...
The general feeling is that we don't deserve to be there because we lost our way in the second half of the season.
That's fair enough.
But in the last two games we've been in winning positions, a bee's dick away from the final siren, against two 'in form' teams inside the top four.
We overwhelmed one in the third quarter on the weekend.
We've matched it with the very best...playing a brand of football for much of the game that would more than stand up in finals.
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You can't replicate what we went through in the last 2 rounds at training. Unfortunately you need to experience it to learn from it. Hawthorn had the Kennett curse where they lost a dozen games in a row under 10 points before they broke it and won 3 flags. Collingwood had played in 10 thrillers this year alone and were well placed to handle the occasion on Sunday. They also didn't have the same pressure in that their finals spot was secure, same as Melbourne.
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(08-24-2022, 12:24 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:You can't replicate what we went through in the last 2 rounds at training. Unfortunately you need to experience it to learn from it. Hawthorn had the Kennett curse where they lost a dozen games in a row under 10 points before they broke it and won 3 flags. Collingwood had played in 10 thrillers this year alone and were well placed to handle the occasion on Sunday. They also didn't have the same pressure in that their finals spot was secure, same as Melbourne.
Can't replicate the mental pressure but you can train the ability to set properly up in such pressure circumstances though, so it becomes automatic. Even if you are feeling mental pressure, you give yourself a much chance if properly set up.
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(08-23-2022, 09:58 PM)LP link Wrote:There it is, it's called player development and historically we have had next to none!
Without taking time to review the progress of our younger players since the time Ratten was in charge, this comment might be one of the most accurate. High draft picks have developed slowly (if at all).
Apart from Matt Cottrell, the last low-drafted players to make significant progress might have been Betts and Tuohy.
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(08-23-2022, 11:50 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Whoa there, Spotted One. Let's not rewrite history, or compare oranges with cheese.
BB was tasked with stepping into the breach after a blow torch was taken to the list to begin probably one of the most ambitious rebuilds in AFL history. I don't believe his attitude was teach through adversity, but rather teach through a thorough education of the basics... then how to handle adversity and grow through it. Adversity was a given, given the inexperience of the list. For the first two years of his tenure, in particular, his ability to not only hold a club together but temper our expectations with reality and hope was first class. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, BB was good for us probably would have delivered given the time the Bomber Thompsons, the Goodwins and the Harwicks of world have been given. They moved the goal posts on him mid shag and was given the bullet.
Happy with Voss has he brings the kent factor we have all been longing to see from our group.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(08-24-2022, 12:15 AM)Lods link Wrote:It's interesting isn't it...
The general feeling is that we don't deserve to be there because we lost our way in the second half of the season.
That's fair enough.
But in the last two games we've been in winning positions, a bee's dick away from the final siren, against two 'in form' teams inside the top four.
We overwhelmed one in the third quarter on the weekend.
We've matched it with the very best...playing a brand of football for much of the game that would more than stand up in finals.
Dreamtime...
We go back and play those 2 games with a regular midfield
OR
We go back to anytime pre-bye and play a game or 2 with a regular defence
So close yet so far
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Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
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(08-23-2022, 01:15 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:In the past, the club has sold bulls$&t hope, now it is genuine hope. Watch how many Charlie Curnows and Sammy Walshes turn up at Aus Kick next year. There is pride being restored with being associated with Carlton and it should be a time of real optimism and positive anticipation!
Yes, agreed, should be, but until you make a final and win one at a minimum, it's still selling BS. Such an improvement this year for sure but let's face it we were a basket case for so long. Still a bit of a laughing stock and butt of jokes cos we choked. But, the cold hard truth is we didn't make finals. As I have said for a loooooooong time, close enough is not good enough. Improvement made, yes. Are we playing in the next game. No. Other teams are and if you want to keep kids as supporters, the next gen, we'd want to bloody well make finals at an absolute minimum in 2023, or more BS will keep rolling through the Club.
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(08-24-2022, 02:46 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Still a bit of a laughing stock and butt of jokes cos we choked. We called the Tiges 'Ninthmond' for quite a while on this site. Three flags later.....
Lessons are only good if they are learned. Richmond got snarly because of it. One can only hope.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?
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Players would have learnt that in big games have to step up in the big moments.
Coaches and List managers would have had a very good look at this list and got very good information on who can step up in the moment and who can't.
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(08-24-2022, 12:00 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I hope the club (and I'm sure they are) is getting behind Charles and Small Durds in particular. They've been singled out by many, and, yes, they made critical errors but they should not carry the burden of the loss. Beating themselves up, or taking to heart criticisms will serve no useful purpose. They're a coupla quality young men who made strong contributions through the year to us being in the 8... that's what's important now, and everyone learning from mistakes, then acknowledging how much was done right and will be improved upon in 2023.
We have been the standout club this year for choking in either the last half or last quarter of matches. I am sure Voss was aware of it from the first occurrence yet he has been unable to stop it and hence our inability to stay in the eight.
With that in mind, I am not as confident that everyone will learn from their mistakes. I worry that it may have become a mental issue with this list that plays on their minds and produces an ingrained response to stress, namely, choking.
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