AFL Rd 22 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Melbourne

[WASurfer]

So many what ifs.....but was it the right decision to play 4 "tall" defenders against Melbourne who really only had Brown and one of the ruckmen forward? Having Newman injured didn't help but to see someone like Melksham kick 4 goals infuriates. Was there a role for Plowman or has his form been such that he just didn't deserve a game?

[LP]

I think we've missed a trick by not running TDK with Pitto and having SoJ as a big bodied Mid in Kennedy and Hewett's absence.

Maybe it's deliberate, perhaps Cripps and SoJ have no midfield chemistry, perhaps Setterfield is more compliant and just stays out of the way!

[Thryleon]

So many what ifs.....but was it the right decision to play 4 "tall" defenders against Melbourne who really only had Brown and one of the ruckmen forward? Having Newman injured didn't help but to see someone like Melksham kick 4 goals infuriates. Was there a role for Plowman or has his form been such that he just didn't deserve a game?

I dont call Marchbank and Mcgovern as true talls anyway.  For me, they are interchangeable with Newman and Plowman, with greater intercept marking and high marking ability as well as being better users of the footy.

Plowman and Newman are more capable defenders in general, but I dont think the issue was match up related.

Its like blaming Saad for dumping a not long enough kick forward after the bounce pass from Owies.  Thing is, he had more time than he thought he did and could very easily have found another target, but I think he may have gone into rush mode and just disposed of the footy to ensure he didnt get caught holding it which is fair enough.

Thing is, it didnt go long enough to clear the area, it wasnt to advantage, and was as big a execution stuff up as Owies kick, even though he had enough time to not only do better with the kick, but also pick a shorter better option. 

[kruddler]

It really doesn't matter what we think.
He impressed the coach, who singled him out for mention in his press conference.
That's an indication that the role he was assigned, he performed more than adequately.

Sure, mention it, thats fine.

But remember the game SOJ played on Fyfe a couple years ago? SOJ kept Fyfe to under 20 touches (I've got 14 in my head, but that might be another game) and SOJ got a bit of the ball too.

THAT was a good game....and you know what, Silvagni has never played the same role since.
So again, congratulate the kid, but he's hardly deserving on being locked in long term off the back of that 1 game, surely.

[kruddler]

I think we've missed a trick by not running TDK with Pitto and having SoJ as a big bodied Mid in Kennedy and Hewett's absence.

Maybe it's deliberate, perhaps Cripps and SoJ have no midfield chemistry, perhaps Setterfield is more compliant and just stays out of the way!

We played all 3 a few weeks ago and we looked tall and slow.

Now we're missing some more mids, it could work.
However, with Setterfield playing that role, i think we are better off playing 1 ruck + SOJ to not look slow again.

[Thryleon]

Sure, mention it, thats fine.

But remember the game SOJ played on Fyfe a couple years ago? SOJ kept Fyfe to under 20 touches (I've got 14 in my head, but that might be another game) and SOJ got a bit of the ball too.

THAT was a good game....and you know what, Silvagni has never played the same role since.
So again, congratulate the kid, but he's hardly deserving on being locked in long term off the back of that 1 game, surely.

SOJ was BOG that day.  He killed Fyfe.  He was put on him at half time from memory and absolutely ruined him.  You know who else played well that day on Mundy?  Dow.

None of them are in the starting 4 midfielders on the list at the moment.

[LP]

We played all 3 a few weeks ago and we looked tall and slow.

Not really, we changed the wider mix, and left our F50 too tall and slow in the absence of Durdin and Owies. Motlop came in, but is slow by comparison. We effectively had zero defensive run from a F50, that is the price we pay while carrying Motlop for his attacking attributes.

By the way, in keeping like for like in the midfield, SoJ or Setterfield are not really slower than Kennedy or Hewett.

[ElwoodBlues1]

We played all 3 a few weeks ago and we looked tall and slow.

Now we're missing some more mids, it could work.
However, with Setterfield playing that role, i think we are better off playing 1 ruck + SOJ to not look slow again.

Horses for courses for me....we got caught with TDK too burnt out to play imho and he was managed rather than dropped vs Melb and normally I think he would have played to help Pittonet vs the comps best ruck brigade in Gawn and Jackson.
This week its Cameron and Cox who I thought were ok vs the Swans, but I dont think they are dominant ruckman like the Melb pair and agree that one specialist ruck plus Jack should suffice.
I'd give Setterfield the job on DeGoey if he plays in the middle or Crisp....Id be expecting Degoey to play forward though given his injury and the fact he has dined out on us there in previous games.

[RiverRat]

By the way, in keeping like for like in the midfield, SoJ or Setterfield are not really slower than Kennedy or Hewett.

Too true

[LordLucifer]

Ok, I'll say it.

29 touches, (19 contested) 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal assist and 7 score involvements.

....and his direct opponent is getting a pat on the back?

That's BOG like numbers for Oliver, but we are all congratulating Setterfield on a job well done?

Now don't get me wrong, setters played one of his best games for the year but it's not like he tagged Oliver out of the game. He got the ball himself and put up respectable numbers, but I'm not sure we should rush to sign him up to a long term contract off the back of it.

The only thing Setterfield did the other nite was improve his trade value/potential.

He did some okay things but wasn't as big an influence on the match as some of the media analysts are trying to suggest.

When the Demons needed a key play at crucial times in the match, Oliver was well involved every time, granted he is a very difficult player to quell for a full 100-mins.