AFL Rd 22 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Melbourne

[kruddler]

Ok, I'll say it.

29 touches, (19 contested) 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal assist and 7 score involvements.

....and his direct opponent is getting a pat on the back?

That's BOG like numbers for Oliver, but we are all congratulating Setterfield on a job well done?

Now don't get me wrong, setters played one of his best games for the year but it's not like he tagged Oliver out of the game. He got the ball himself and put up respectable numbers, but I'm not sure we should rush to sign him up to a long term contract off the back of it.

[Lods]

Ok, I'll say it.

29 touches, (19 contested) 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal assist and 7 score involvements.

....and his direct opponent is getting a pat on the back?

That's BOG like numbers for Oliver, but we are all congratulating Setterfield on a job well done?

Now don't get me wrong, setters played one of his best games for the year but it's not like he tagged Oliver out of the game. He got the ball himself and put up respectable numbers, but I'm not sure we should rush to sign him up to a long term contract off the back of it.

It really doesn't matter what we think.
He impressed the coach, who singled him out for mention in his press conference.
That's an indication that the role he was assigned, he performed more than adequately.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Ok, I'll say it.

29 touches, (19 contested) 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal assist and 7 score involvements.

....and his direct opponent is getting a pat on the back?

That's BOG like numbers for Oliver, but we are all congratulating Setterfield on a job well done?

Now don't get me wrong, setters played one of his best games for the year but it's not like he tagged Oliver out of the game. He got the ball himself and put up respectable numbers, but I'm not sure we should rush to sign him up to a long term contract off the back of it.

I'm agreeing, I gave Setterfield votes but wouldn't be resigning just yet on the basis of one game.I thought he played well himself and restricted Oliver but the Melbourne player lifted when he had too along with Petracca and was still an effective player.
Thought Voss was ok up until the final minutes where he failed to put more players behind the ball and David King called it out, I also think he blundered by failing to tag Lachie Neale in the Brisbane game and he needs to read the game better..Not sure playing 4 tall defenders vs a small Melb forward setup was so smart either and he didn't seem to realise what role Melksham had been playing for the last month either.
He said lack of detail in his presser cost us the game, I agree but some of that detail is down to him imo.

[Thryleon]

Ok, I'll say it.

29 touches, (19 contested) 9 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal assist and 7 score involvements.

....and his direct opponent is getting a pat on the back?

That's BOG like numbers for Oliver, but we are all congratulating Setterfield on a job well done?

Now don't get me wrong, setters played one of his best games for the year but it's not like he tagged Oliver out of the game. He got the ball himself and put up respectable numbers, but I'm not sure we should rush to sign him up to a long term contract off the back of it.

Oliver's stats don't show the job that Setterfield did, and Setterfield really seemed to have gotten into his head, and should have received more than just the one free kick for getting put on his bum at contests.

I agree regarding signing him up on the back of it, but we do require some sort of depth until the newbies can come on and one of him or Dow is out at end of year, and simply put, as much as Id rather keep Dow because I see more upside there, they are both behind Carrol in the pecking order for next season, and that means at least one of them must go.

Dow is worth more at the trade table, so he is the one out IMHO. 

[Baggers]

After watching it again, just loved our hunger for the contest. First rate. With limited stocks in the player cupboard, the coaching group made a coupla bold moves.

Also loved Vossy walking off with his boys. Stirring stuff.

Few boys from the Magoos put themselves into selection consideration.

[PaulP]

IMO, Will the Whipping boy deserves the BOD, and should be awarded another contract, even if it's 12 months. IMO, he's been the victim of bad timing and / or mismanagement more than anything else. He's played just a tick over 50 games with very little continuity over several seasons. I suspect there's untapped potential there, and his best is still ahead of him.

[tonyo]

IMO, Will the Whipping boy deserves the BOD, and should be awarded another contract, even if it's 12 months. IMO, he's been the victim of bad timing and / or mismanagement more than anything else. He's played just a tick over 50 games with very little continuity over several seasons. I suspect there's untapped potential there, and his best is still ahead of him.

With Ed Curnow's decline, we have a clear need for a player who can do an inside run-with role a la Jack Steele, Tom Atkins, Jarryd Berry, it's even how the Brayshaw boys started out.

Setterfield is clearly the man for this - he has been played out of position on a wing for too long.  If another club gets hold of him, I am sure we will be wringing our hands when they put him in the right role.

[LP]

Ultimately, are SoJ and Setterfield basically competing for the same spot?

To me, having watched the influence SoJ can have on the ball, excluding ruck duties mostly I'm concerned with 2nd efforts, inside stoppage work and chaining, and comparing that to what Setterfield offers, I can't really see a significant difference. Perhaps Setterfield has an edge at the D50 end, and SoJ an edge at the F50 end.

How many players "of a type" can a team have?

I think tagging is highly over-rated, it's just a concession that you have a player who cannot compete in some other way. I do not think it's coincidence that many of Ed's very best games came when he was set free to work both ways, the ABlett Jnr game springs to mind. As for the opposition in that tagging consideration, no matter how good an opponent, or how rare they might be in the opposition list, 1 can never compete with 2, 3 or more and consistently win!

The concept of "Stop him and you win" has been taken to a very bizarre extreme in modern AFL.

[Milhanna13]

The coaching box also needs looking at, as David King has suggested no extra players behind the ball in those last minutes were costly, all the other teams protecting a lead do it that way and we should have done similar.

Not sure how correct that was - SOJ was sent back for most of the last few mins.  The Melksham mark was 4on2 to our advantage.  Yeah, the numbers at that last contest were even, but that could have been because the spares were otherwise occupied.  King talks a lot and is occasionally on to something, but he does talk out of his backside at times

[Milhanna13]

Walsh, Curnow & Weitering were poor last nite, had they played better it may have been a different result.

Hurt earlier in the year,  coming off 3 years off and hurt earlier in the year............. 

100% agree that they were down - but you prob expect that at this time of the year, from them  (Weiters hasnt been right since he came back)