AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

[kruddler]

What a great description.

My question remains. Who do we beat to make finals?

Potentially, we don't need to beat anyone.

We certainly don't need to worry about winning 2.

Win against Adelaide and we there would have to be a disastrous scenario like teams beating Geelong to force us out of finals.

[LoveNavy]

Season starts again, we win all 4

That would be something else. Can but  dream ?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Have I got this right? Knowing there are still several moving parts.

To play finals we need 2 more wins.

If so, we'll be favoured but not guaranteed v Crows at home. What other game do you see us winning?
Dees
Pies
Lions at home

Collingwood...overhyped bunch of honest battlers in the main who McRae has extracted max value and effort from most weeks but imo are well short of us in terms of talent and a lot of the other top 8 teams and are due to crash and burn in the next few weeks as their luck runs out..

[kruddler]

true we do have lenty of kids - but a good kid stands out on how many contests he gets involved and Honey gets involved in plenty with power and determination - he is not a red time junky and think match commitee like that.

I find it funny that you are pumping up Honeys tyres but have been critical of our small forwards week in, week out.
Today was one of Honeys best games. Durdin and Motlop were far from their best.

However....

Honey - 14 touches, 14 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 83m gained, 2 I50's, 1.1
Durdin - 6 touches, 14 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 147m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0
Motlop - 5 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 3m gained, 0 I50's, 0.0

Small forwards are required to bring pressure.....and they are all doing that.

For comparison, here is the same stats for last week against Cats...
Honey - sub
Durdin - 9 touches, 10 pressure acts, 0 tackles, 112m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Motlop - 11 touches, 22 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 53m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0

and the week before against Eagles....
Honey - 4 touches, 10 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 1m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Durdin - 10 touches, 12 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 206m gained, 1 I50's, 2.1
Motlop - 11 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 85m gained, 0 I50's, 0.1

Over the last 3 games(or 2 for Honey), averages are as follows....
Honey - 9 touches, 12 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 42m gained, 2 I50's, 0.5-0.5
Durdin - 8.3 touches, 12 pressure acts, 2.7 tackles, 155m gained, 1.3 I50's, 1.0-0.3
Motlop - 9 touches, 16 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 47m gained, 0.3 I50's, 0.3-0.3

So tell me, why is Honey so good, but the rest of our small forwards so bad?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Durdin misses Owies imho and they work well together along with Fisher who spends time forward and on the ball.
For me Honey is competing with Martin and I regard both of them as medium forwards rather than smalls...
Motlop is a handy apprentice as a small forward.

[LP]

Personally, I thought Durdin put himself in more dangerous places today and was perhaps more influential than fans will credit, because it was mostly without the footy.

Motlop is still some way off, because it's not what he does when he is around the ball, it what he doesn't do when the opposition win the footy and take it away. Also, I was a bit disappointed to see him flying against Charlie and BigH, sure fans love it but you'd think that our small forwards would have worked out that Big H and Charlie are not regularly out marked, and either bring the ball to ground or mark it many times more than they get beaten in the air.

I thought Durdin, Fisher and Cottrell really hurt GWS with aggressive run today, and that meant when we got the ball GWS were struggling to put the brakes on. It was important because for much of the game I think GWS got first hands on the footy a lot courtesy of Preuss, but we were able to create the turnovers, and then really hurt GWS on the turnover. Also qudos to LoB, was a bit rusty getting back into it, but he was an option all over the ground and that also stretched the GWS ability to stop our momentum.

When Owies and Pttio are fit, it will be interesting to see what Voss does.

I thought Gov was also quite good today, I was reticent about his early return because to me he looked off the pace in the VFL. But I was proven wrong today, Gov was a bit rusty but he made all the different for the likes of Weitering, Young, Plowman and Newman.

[RiverRat]

I thought Cripps was awful for most of the day...a little better towards the end.

Got lots of disposals but it was unusual to see that he had many more uncontested possessions than contested ones.

Also butchered the ball and struggled to break away - I still think he might be carrying a niggle.

[RiverRat]

GWS are one of the softest teams going around ... but I didn't find too many outstanding players when the game was up for grabs apart from Saad who was best on the ground by a country mile.

Setterfield still doesn't do much for me as a footballer and ok he got a few touches today but the opposition was about as weak as it gets and I'd want to see a whole lot more from him before I pencilled his name in our best 22 for the finals, his kicking is my major concern with him under pressure.

Two players who I did like were LOB and Cottrell who are probably our best bets on the wings and need to be persisted with, was never a fan of LOB but he has won me over to an extent and I now consider him a reliable footballer as is Cottrell who for a U18 no name tagger continues to get the job done each week...nice recruiting from SOS.

McGovern made a useful return which was handy as I feel Young has been slightly off the last couple of weeks and Weitering is still working his way back to his best form.

Saad was a shining light when the game was still up for grabs but was quieter in the final term when most of his teammates decided to join in.

LOB and Cottrell are essential components because they have the tanks to cover the ground to provide defensive coverage for the midfielders who don't.  I prefer Newnes over Setterfield as the 3rd winger because, although Setterfield played quite well today, I don't think he kicks the ball well under pressure and there didn't seem to be a lot of pressure today.

One of the big positives of McGovern's return is that it frees up Plowman to play a more attacking role.

Motlop obviously has good skills and a few tricks but I had been disappointed with his apparent lack of acceleration, until today, when he showed a few bursts of real speed - next step is to get him to chase opponents like he chased the loose ball.

[pinot]

I find it funny that you are pumping up Honeys tyres but have been critical of our small forwards week in, week out.
Today was one of Honeys best games. Durdin and Motlop were far from their best.

However....

Honey - 14 touches, 14 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 83m gained, 2 I50's, 1.1
Durdin - 6 touches, 14 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 147m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0
Motlop - 5 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 3m gained, 0 I50's, 0.0

Small forwards are required to bring pressure.....and they are all doing that. I thought H had an outstanding game but didnt kick straight. He was there amongst it when the heat was on... Durdin and Motlop not so much. They are young and not having a go at them per se but Honey gets to contests when the heat is on and thats the point



For comparison, here is the same stats for last week against Cats...
Honey - sub
Durdin - 9 touches, 10 pressure acts, 0 tackles, 112m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Motlop - 11 touches, 22 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 53m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0

and the week before against Eagles....
Honey - 4 touches, 10 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 1m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Durdin - 10 touches, 12 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 206m gained, 1 I50's, 2.1
Motlop - 11 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 85m gained, 0 I50's, 0.1

Over the last 3 games(or 2 for Honey), averages are as follows....
Honey - 9 touches, 12 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 42m gained, 2 I50's, 0.5-0.5
Durdin - 8.3 touches, 12 pressure acts, 2.7 tackles, 155m gained, 1.3 I50's, 1.0-0.3
Motlop - 9 touches, 16 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 47m gained, 0.3 I50's, 0.3-0.3

So tell me, why is Honey so good, but the rest of our small forwards so bad?

Stats are garbage if not measured accordingly when the heat is on when players go missing.,  I thought H had an outstanding game but didnt kick straight. He was there amongst it when the heat was on... Durdin and Motlop not so much. They are young and not having a go at them per se but Honey gets to contests when the heat is on and thats the point

[pinot]

Saad was a shining light when the game was still up for grabs but was quieter in the final term when most of his teammates decided to join in.

LOB and Cottrell are essential components because they have the tanks to cover the ground to provide defensive coverage for the midfielders who don't.  I prefer Newnes over Setterfield as the 3rd winger because, although Setterfield played quite well today, I don't think he kicks the ball well under pressure and there didn't seem to be a lot of pressure today.

One of the big positives of McGovern's return is that it frees up Plowman to play a more attacking role.

Motlop obviously has good skills and a few tricks but I had been disappointed with his apparent lack of acceleration, until today, when he showed a few bursts of real speed - next step is to get him to chase opponents like he chased the loose ball.

Probably one of the best games I have seen LOB play - a bit more ferocity at the football and mental application to the contest and will be a player.