AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

[DJC]

A couple of positives for me:

Tom De Koning hurt his shoulder but stayed on the ground and went for hitouts with his other hand until his shoulder improved.  It was probably just a stinger but, earlier in his career, he would have gone off.  He is really developing into a very good ruckman and having Pitto back will free him up and take some of the pressure off Charlie and Harry.

Jesse Motlop still has a way to go but he is improving with every game.  The tackle he stuck deep in defence in the last quarter tells me that he is going to be a very good player for us.

[dodge]

I stopped watching after Cameron's goal in the third.

While we were harrassed at every opportunity, we panicked a bit and our ball handling was no good.  It was a good lesson from Geelong in showing us what is required to get to the top - hopefully we can thank them later and return it in spades.

[Gointocarlton]

( btw., What did you think of Donald allegedly having Ivana pushed down the stairs? )

Couldn't give a flying fork about anything that happens in that Kent of a country.

[LP]

Ever since he has arrived on the scene, he seems to have been setting his sights on replacing Razor Ray as the most (over) officious umpire.  Where Ray used to sprint in to IMPOSE himself, this guy always seems to run in and POSE himself.

I doubt that he has a bias against us but I wouldn't be surprised if he disproportionately rules against the less experienced teams because players on those teams are often less subtle in how they go about their business.

Yes, I'm not claiming it's a deliberate bias, although the images [member=20]kruddler[/member]‍ posted today from out at CheatsFC headquarters are a bit disconcerting.

My problem is that he will reward someone like Selwood while penalising (or not rewarding) Fisher or Hayes for what is the very same act. I've no problem rewarding Selwood for what he does, it is a skill, but why not reward Fisher or Hayes as well? The Razor Ray analogy is very appropriate, I was actually going to mention the bemused look on the face of one of 22's associates, when they made a decision from 5m away and he overruled them from 30m away! At one stage the two other umpires just looked at each other like, "WTF? Oh, he's at it again!"

It's that difference that is extremely hard to explain outside of a personal subjectivity, and it's partially explained by an unconscious bias as you describe, but I'd also assert it the high profile complaints from voices like Scott and Dimma that also have an influence on match day. So I'd say we are too good, after our TPP penalties we have become the good citizens of AFL, never complaining, never trying to push back, but perhaps we have taken that too far! I'd be shifting the spotlight back on a few of the influentials.

It's quite possible that 22 enters games with a preconceived notion about who is going to win, because I've heard other clubs with similar complaints.

[Micky0]

Couldn't give a flying fork about anything that happens in that Kent of a country.

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[madbluboy]

I feel for Ginnivan, was getting his head ripped off on Saturday no free kick. Umpires apparently cracking down on ducking only for Selwood to get his usual soft frees a couple of hours later.

[Thryleon]

Re: Ginnivan.  It doesnt help when you go initiating the contact and showing your technique on video.

Comparisons to Selwood are a bit wrong too.  Selwood usually shrugs the tackle which actually takes some strength.  Ginnivan seems to go looking for the contact under the armpit and pulling himself into it, rather than moving the other player.  Not to mention he does it lurking around the goal square, and only touches it 8 times a game on average.

[madbluboy]

There is no comparison to Selwood, he is the king of ducking and getting away with it. There has never been a media beat up about cracking down on his ducking which has been going on for 15 years.

[LP]

There is no comparison to Selwood, he is the king of ducking and getting away with it. There has never been a media beat up about cracking down on his ducking which has been going on for 15 years.

Yes, I just do not understand the media hypocrisy, they look after there mates and have put this Filth kid Ginnivan to the sword.

Selwood got 3 of his 4 free kicks against us for the exact act of abnormally lowering his body, that the AFL says won't be rewarded. He had 2 more free kicks than anybody else on the field, and umpire 22 basically penalised Fisher and Hayes for doing the same thing.

It's abhorrent that one player can get away with this while all others are either penalised or unprotected, it's as bad as Dusty fending players off with a thumb to the throat and being allowed to play on!

These are "at best" examples of an unconscious bias, and some are worse than others.

[Gointocarlton]

I feel for Ginnivan, was getting his head ripped off on Saturday no free kick. Umpires apparently cracking down on ducking only for Selwood to get his usual soft frees a couple of hours later.

Selwood forces the tacklers arms up by lifting them with his, he uses strength he rarely ducks (IMO). The prick from the Filth folds his knees the instant he is touched and goes to ground. He is a cheat.