AFL Rd 16 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs St Kilda

[Gointocarlton]

Gee, there has been some absolute rubbish written on Carlton fan pages and forums since the loss. The trolls are out in force.  A lot of them are obviously not Carlton folk. I'm not talking about here. We seem to be a fairly stable group (that may bite us in the bum long term as we need some fresh blood). But the big point of difference is that even when we're  a bit critical or disagree we put forward arguments to support our point of view. Sorry for the rant but what set me off was some goose on a Facebook site reckoned we should trade Hewett because he's not damaging. Moral of the story is... never let a mug upset you.??

Here's a tip for free, stay away from Facebook footy pages. They are utter puss, every last one of them.

[Lods]

Here's a tip for free, stay away from Facebook footy pages. They are utter puss, every last one of them.

You're absolutely right.
The reason I look at them is they often pick up on a breaking news story in the media, like an injury...sometimes long before we get the confirmation on the Official site.

[madbluboy]

Obviously haven't watched the replay but how often was Cerra in the middle? Looked to me at the ground he was playing wing.

[LP]

Obviously haven't watched the replay but how often was Cerra in the middle? Looked to me at the ground he was playing wing.

Why though, ................. probably because he wasn't 100% right to go!

I think Cerra's selection last week is the first rookie mistake I think I can identify from the Voss crew this season, let's hope they learn!

Cerra's only young still, he probably still has ambitions beyond his ability, that usually extends to players thinking they can limp through a match and still have an impact on the outcome.

I think we missed Owies work rate terribly, and that caused some of the others who have been good this season like Durdin, LoB and Fisher to be overloaded and fall short of expectations. Fans underestimate the impact of the 24x7 stuff they don't take any notice of, it's unglamorous and doesn't make the highlight reels, and fans overestimate the impact of the spectacular stuff that happens for 1 second in a 2hr match because it is replayed endlessly!

For example, and I mentioned this after his first game as well, Motlop's highlights do not make up for the rest of the time he is basically spectating. He'd have to do 10x as much spectacular stuff just to break even!

[Thryleon]

Why though, ................. probably because he wasn't 100% right to go!

I think Cerra's selection last week is the first rookie mistake I think I can identify from the Voss crew this season, let's hope they learn!

Cerra's only young still, he probably still has ambitions beyond his ability, that usually extends to players thinking they can limp through a match and still have an impact on the outcome.

I think we missed Owies work rate terribly, and that caused some of the others who have been good this season like Durdin, LoB and Fisher to be overloaded and fall short of expectations. Fans underestimate the impact of the 24x7 stuff they don't take any notice of, it's unglamorous and doesn't make the highlight reels, and fans overestimate the impact of the spectacular stuff that happens for 1 second in a 2hr match because it is replayed endlessly!

For example, and I mentioned this after his first game as well, Motlop's highlights do not make up for the rest of the time he is basically spectating. He'd have to do 10x as much spectacular stuff just to break even!

I had Motlop as our one winner on the day.

He ran hard, and pressured hard too.  Kicked 3.1.  Surprised to only see 1 tackle registered to his name, but I guess it only counts a completed tackle on the stats sheet, because I saw him lay 3 tackles in on sequence with little reward given the Saints were able to get out of trouble because he was one of the lone hands pressuring multiple opponents.

FWIW, Shaun Higgins, and Dan Butler had very similar stats and both ended up with 2 goals 1 each and only registered a tackle each, but they also were quite menacing with their pressure.

Anyway, I could pick a handful of players who made pivotal issues on the day.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Why though, ................. probably because he wasn't 100% right to go!

I think Cerra's selection last week is the first rookie mistake I think I can identify from the Voss crew this season, let's hope they learn!

Cerra's only young still, he probably still has ambitions beyond his ability, that usually extends to players thinking they can limp through a match and still have an impact on the outcome.

I think we missed Owies work rate terribly, and that caused some of the others who have been good this season like Durdin, LoB and Fisher to be overloaded and fall short of expectations. Fans underestimate the impact of the 24x7 stuff they don't take any notice of, it's unglamorous and doesn't make the highlight reels, and fans overestimate the impact of the spectacular stuff that happens for 1 second in a 2hr match because it is replayed endlessly!

For example, and I mentioned this after his first game as well, Motlop's highlights do not make up for the rest of the time he is basically spectating. He'd have to do 10x as much spectacular stuff just to break even!

Good call on Owies, without him as part of the trinity  with Durdin and Fisher we dont function as well down forward when he is missing IMO. He isnt a big possie winner but he provides plenty of pressure keeping the ball inside50 and being a leadup type forward he seems to drag players away from our main forwards and we look less congested.
Motlop is more of a crumber who can kick the freaky goal and he was good vs the Saints but I'll be glad to see Owies back in he team and Motlop can come off the bench, he reminds me a bit of Troy Bond.

[Gointocarlton]

Good call on Owies, without him part as part of the trinity  with Durdin and Fisher we dont function as well down forward when he his missing IMO. He isnt a big possie winner but he provides plenty of pressure keeping the ball inside50 and being a leadup type forward he seems to drag players away from our main forwards and we look less congested.
Motlop is more of a crumber who can kick the freaky goal and he was good vs the Saints but I'll be glad to see Owies back in he team and Motlop can come off the bench, he reminds me a bit of Troy Bond.

Hopefully Jesse doesnt suffer the same fate as Troy did in 95.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I had Motlop as our one winner on the day.

He ran hard, and pressured hard too.  Kicked 3.1.  Surprised to only see 1 tackle registered to his name, but I guess it only counts a completed tackle on the stats sheet, because I saw him lay 3 tackles in on sequence with little reward given the Saints were able to get out of trouble because he was one of the lone hands pressuring multiple opponents.

FWIW, Shaun Higgins, and Dan Butler had very similar stats and both ended up with 2 goals 1 each and only registered a tackle each, but they also were quite menacing with their pressure.

Anyway, I could pick a handful of players who made pivotal issues on the day.

I thought Young did the job on King who kicked a couple of junk goals only and was another winner for us.
See my thoughts on Motlop in my other post, no doubting his talent he just needs more games and education for when he doesnt have the ball and when his opponents do, I thought Stkilda ran the ball out of defense a bit too easy which was a group issue rather than Motlop specifically but as I suggested I think Owies gives us a point of difference in that area.

[Gointocarlton]

I thought Young did the job on King who kicked a couple of junk goals only and was another winner for us.
See my thoughts on Motlop in my other post, no doubting his talent he just needs more games and education for when he doesnt have the ball and when his opponents do, I thought Stkilda ran the ball out of defense a bit too easy which was a group issue rather than Motlop specifically but as I suggested I think Owies gives us a point of difference in that area.

Honey can sit in on the same classes.

[LP]

See my thoughts on Motlop in my other post, no doubting his talent he just needs more games and education for when he doesnt have the ball and when his opponents do,

Yes, most young players are the same, fans don't see it because they watch them when the ball is around or when they are in camera shot which is always around the footy.

What we missed from Owies was what happens when we don't have the footy and it's not in the immediate zone. Being basketball background he's always moving to take space away from the opposition or to create space and provide an option to one of our ball carriers even if he is on the wrong side of the ground.

Motlop, Honey, Carroll and others tend to stop and watch what is happening then head off when they have decided where the footy is going, Owies and more experienced heads are pre-emptive, they think about what might happen next and immediately work to alter the outcome in our favour, they do not just do work in their own favour.

That is why fans see players like Owies, LoB or Durdin crumbing in the goal square one minute, and defending on the last line 60s later, but the fans don't put 2 and 2 together, instead they'll bitch and moan if Owies or Durdin are beaten in a contest on the last line!

Last weekend we saw Plowman and Newman being caught out more than once against multiple opponents, that wasn't happening when Owies, Durdin, LoB and Fisher were all working together seamlessly. It's wasn't that Plowman or Newman had a bad day or bad moment, it was because the players around them were missing instead of making up the numbers. It was one of the reasons I noticed Cerra struggling, he wasn't able to keep up and opponents took the opportunity to run off him.