General Discussions

[Mav]

Would a castrated Mitchell Starc who underwent a course of estrogen injections still bowl at 150 km/h? If the answer is yes, then why does WADA ban steroids and testosterone as PEDs?

[Baggers]

Ok, so what about those people who are born with both 'bits'?
Can they 'choose' what they wanna be?

There is a video or 2 of some Ted talks posted in the topic by someone who is exactly that.

...the TED talks on this topic are excellent. Good pick-up/point, K.

[Thryleon]

Ok, so what about those people who are born with both 'bits'?
Can they 'choose' what they wanna be?

There is a video or 2 of some Ted talks posted in the topic by someone who is exactly that.

I have watched the talks.  You can't throw a blanket over everyone but those people with both bits you mention aren't trans or don't fit that gender construct.

I watched the talks.  Saw them from start to finish.  Have had these conversations with people.  For something that is supposedly based on science a lot of it based on subjective opinion of "im in the wrong body".  The woman born with gonads is clearly not in that category.

You'll also note that identity politics is a bigger part of this than the I was born in an ambiguous body.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Would a castrated Mitchell Starc who underwent a course of estrogen injections still bowl at 150 km/h? If the answer is yes, then why does WADA ban steroids and testerone as PEDs?

If former male transgender athletes were allowed to play female sports like test cricket it's doubtful that normal female born athletes would be able to make the team such would be the advantage the former male transgender athletes would have.
A castrated Mitch Starc  bowling at 140k would be too much for the normal female used to 125k thunderbolts.

[Mav]

So gender reassignment would only cost Starc 10 km/h? Is there some research that justifies that assumption? Could it be he'd drop 20 km/h or more? Could gender reassignment force Starc to alter his bowling action and make it hard for him to generate late swing at the lower top pace?

And when do you think that all the best male bowlers in the world are going to transition just so they can star as women? This is a scare campaign which is laughable on its face.

[LP]

As an adult transitioning, an athlete like Starc if he decides to keep up the training so he could compete as an alternate gender, would lose very little of nothing at all. Which is the key difference between an adult transitioning and some kid who goes through procedures pre-puberty!

You didn't answer my earlier question, if a female transitions to male do they still get to play women's sport if they choose to do so? The prospect of that happening is no more absurd than Mouncey wanting to play a female contact sport!

[ElwoodBlues1]

So gender reassignment would only cost Starc 10 km/h? Is there some research that justifies that assumption? Could it be he'd drop 20 km/h or more? Could gender reassignment force Starc to alter his bowling action and make it hard for him to generate late swing at the lower top pace?

And when do you think that all the best male bowlers in the world are going to transition just so they can star as women? This is a scare campaign which is laughable on its face.

This my point they wouldn't need to be the best male bowlers or the best footballers or the best basketballers. Just bigger, stronger and capable of physical acts that far exceed what a normal non transgender female could be capable of. District cricket is full of bowlers who can bowl at speed, doesn't mean they are any good but they would scare and injure female players  just like Hannah Mouncey would playing football.

[Mav]

Wow, who needs science when we can just make claims without evidence?

Apparently, a man who decides to keep up the training so he could compete as an alternate gender would lose very little or nothing at all. And they would be bigger, stronger and capable of physical acts that far exceed what a normal non transgender female could be capable of.

Please point me to the evidence rather than the supposition.

By the way, a big District cricketer who is castrated and injected with estrogen won’t necessarily scare women cricketers any more. The Romans were no longer scared of Samson after Delilah cut off his hair. They mocked him instead. Only a special deal with God enabled him to pull down the temple. I’m guessing testicles are more powerful than hair.

[madbluboy]

Of course they lose something but there is a huge gap between male and female performances in most sport. If Tyson Fury became Tyra Fury you're not going to put another woman in the ring with her.

[Mav]

Boxing has weight divisions. Who is able to say whether a transgender female boxer in the same weight division as an equally experienced and well-trained female in that category would have an advantage? I'm not willing to accept sweeping assumptions. I don't care how vehemently you make an assertion as vehemence does not equal proof. Trump has given bombast a bad name now.