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(06-12-2022, 10:47 PM)Baggers link Wrote:In some respects, I guess, 2022 is the year that Vossy and his coaching group get to encourage and see the best from everyone. In crude terms, who are the hackers and non-hackers re our new game plan/culture.
I reckon Setters and Philp deserve every opportunity this year. Sadly, I think, the Dow ship has sailed. Out of interest Baggers, why have you categorised the three above as such?
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(06-12-2022, 11:03 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Out of interest Baggers, why have you categorised the three above as such? I saw a willingness to change from Setters on Saturday - let's see where it takes him. I'm not convinced yet but prepared to be wrong re my former criticisms of him.
Philp is still really raw but shows really positive glimpses, just needs to learn to impose himself more and for longer.
Dow still seems one dimensional to me. Really impressive once he can collect, run and dash. Would want to see much more defensive play from him; a willingness to put his body in more. Not hopeful, but, hey, he's got a few months to develop this area of his game - intensity at the man and aggot.
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(06-12-2022, 09:11 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Ill guess and say sadly, Setters, Dow and Philp have extremely limited careers at Carlton. Given their draft profiles, the types of players they are and how long they have been languishing in the twos is a tell I reckon.
Dow is contracted so I think he will be traded and look for a fresh start. Setters is no world beater but will provide depth when needed good over head, god disposal can win the contested ball and kick a goal when he is on. Philp is contracted and needs time - starting to get continuity in his football now after all the interruptions . He has good attributes, tackles hard, fast, good kick. Just doesn't get involved enough at the moment. Hopefully that will come to him soon because he will be an asset if it does.
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(06-13-2022, 02:11 AM)pinot link Wrote:Dow is contracted so I think he will be traded and look for a fresh start. Setters is no world beater but will provide depth when needed good over head, god disposal can win the contested ball and kick a goal when he is on. Philp is contracted and needs time - starting to get continuity in his football now after all the interruptions . He has good attributes, tackles hard, fast, good kick. Just doesn't get involved enough at the moment. Hopefully that will come to him soon because he will be an asset if it does. Setters good disposal? I must be watching someone else.
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(06-13-2022, 03:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Setters good disposal? I must be watching someone else. Agree...kicks lollypops up in the air and has been guilty of avoiding heavy contests, while he is a good size he isnt a bash and crash mid like Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett but doesnt have the finesse or skill level like Cerra to play as that distributor type mid either.
He will get his share of ball in the twos playing on newbie kids from the burbs but I cant see him staying on the list even as backup unless Voss sees something in him that I dont. Maybe he follows instructions well, trains hard etc etc but I dont see him improving, you look at Obrien and he never looks comfortable playing contested footy but he does have a go now and tries his best which is all you can ask. I have never felt Setterfield has pushed himself or given max effort very often and like Obrien did he needs a body of work in the twos to justify senior selection IMO.
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(06-13-2022, 04:09 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree...kicks lollypops up in the air and has been guilty of avoiding heavy contests, while he is a good size he isnt a bash and crash mid like Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett but doesnt have the finesse or skill level like Cerra to play as that distributor type mid either.
He will get his share of ball in the twos playing on newbie kids from the burbs but I cant see him staying on the list even as backup unless Voss sees something in him that I dont. Maybe he follows instructions well, trains hard etc etc but I dont see him improving, you look at Obrien and he never looks comfortable playing contested footy but he does have a go now and tries his best which is all you can ask. I have never felt Setterfield has pushed himself or given max effort very often and like Obrien did he needs a body of work in the twos to justify senior selection IMO. When you're listed as a Midfielder and are 192cm, its fashionable irrespective if whether you can play the game or not.
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Voss told Kennedy at the start of the year that there are only 2 inside midfield spots.
Cripps and Kennedy have the spots. Dow and Setterfield are back up to those guys.
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(06-13-2022, 06:14 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Voss told Kennedy at the start of the year that there are only 2 inside midfield spots.
Cripps and Kennedy have the spots. Dow and Setterfield are back up to those guys. What about George?
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(06-13-2022, 06:32 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:What about George?
I'm assuming his primary role is to run with someone, his inside work is bonus. Really he should be All Australian.
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(06-13-2022, 06:48 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:I'm assuming his primary role is to run with someone, his inside work is bonus. Really he should be All Australian. Tough field for AA mids, reckon the Freo Brayshaw will probably get that spot that George would be vying for.....surprise might be Crisp from Collingwood.
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