Hawthorn v Carlton -Post Match thread

[blue4life]

Watson's just not much good, a pick 18 or so which bombed like all of our other picks around that mark in the last 10 years.
As for next season I'd be trying to farm Menzel out for a half decent pick or player, otherwise we'll still be talking about how classy he is in five years time and he'll still only be showing us glimpses.
Bell is a must keep, he gives us grunt around the ball and is a genuinely attacking footballer, Murphy and Cripps need him around.
Yarran is now devalued and we won't get what he's worth, if we can keep him and sort him out it's better than trading him out for a bag of potato chips, we know he can play good football on a consistent basis at least.
We don't have any other tradeable players that we can afford to lose in my opinion.
I'd see if Majak Daw wants to leave North, he's not getting a game there but I reckon he'd walk into our front 6.

[Lods]

Watson has to go - end of story !!!!

He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre

One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_pl...1=S&fid2=S

[LP]

He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre

One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_pl...1=S&fid2=S

Such is perspective!

The same perspective debate applies to Kreuzer trades!

Some players have to go regardless of "potential", some players have to stay regardless! How does Carlton build fabric, not by keeping list cloggers and not by trading away the heart and soul.

Media are comparing our current Carlton situation to Hawthorn with Franklin/Roughead, but that is a poor analogy. Because Carlton finished bottom those years and Hawthorn received low picks they did not deserve. They offloaded has-been/average players and talked them up as potential future stars. If we kept Kreuzer, lost Watson and Menzel, and got pick 2 from the AFL for losing Menzel and extras we would be barely breaking even with the sort of deal Hawthorn got!

[sandsmere]

Menzel isn't a FA , so there's no no2 pick for him.

[blue4life]

Media are comparing our current Carlton situation to Hawthorn with Franklin/Roughead, but that is a poor analogy. Because Carlton finished bottom those years and Hawthorn received low picks they did not deserve. They offloaded has-been/average players and talked them up as potential future stars.

Hawthorn got Roughead and Franklin in 2004, Richmond and Footscray also had priority picks that year.
We won 11 games in 2004 and took Russell at pick 9.
Hawthorn drafted very well but I can't understand how you figure they didn't deserve the picks they had, they played under the same rules as the rest of the teams.

[crashlander]

He probably does....it's just a bit bizarre

One of these players is the biggest spud on our list...the other's worth a first rounder. ;D

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_pl...1=S&fid2=S

I think it goes to show how ineffective Menzel has been this season. Compare his career, or last season, and things look a little different.

However, it is all in the way that you look at things. Menzel is seen as a player with promise of great things. Watson is not any more.

Compare recent games and Watson comes out on top easily: he took 8 marks yesterday.

The future for both of these guys is interesting.

[laj]

Watson has to go - end of story !!!!

Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.

[MilkIt]

Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.

OUT: Watson
IN: Jack Silvagni

sorted ^-^

[Thryleon]

Depends, how you cover what you have. Key forward isn't exactly a strength. When you get rid of someone first you must have a solution. No good sacking everyone then have no solutions. We will get key position players in the draft but they are unlikely to be ready in the first months to 2 years. Hence we'll need cover. Maybe a trade for Cam McCarthy may be one solution.

Out Watson, in an inanimate carbon rod.

If you don't like the rod pickup a bollard from a building site.

Both would show more hardness and intensity at the contest that Watson.

;D

[DJC]

I think it goes to show how ineffective Menzel has been this season. Compare his career, or last season, and things look a little different.

However, it is all in the way that you look at things. Menzel is seen as a player with promise of great things. Watson is not any more.

Compare recent games and Watson comes out on top easily: he took 8 marks yesterday.

The future for both of these guys is interesting.

Menzel has been one of the great disappointments of the season.

I don't usually give much attention to Garry Lyon's pronouncements but he made an interesting statement during the commentary.  Basically it was along the lines of ensuring that Menzel and Smith trained with Ed Curnow over the summer.  While there is merit in that, we could add a few other blokes to the Ed Curnow training camp.