Election 2022 (Poll added)

[LP]

A lot of candidates being outed as not living in their electorate, seems reasonable.

However, I'd ask this question, on working in or running a business in an electorate versus living there. If I live in one electorate and operate a business with employees in another electorate, should I be able to nominate for either location?

To me being an employer in an electorate is just as valid as a form of residency, perhaps even more valid given many might move house several times but maintain the physical location of a factory, store or pub!

[Professer E]

Ironic the Libs going with the 'puppet' and 'incompetent' schtick,  considering their woeful management,  lack of any responsibility and the strings in the background being pulled by the NSW right.

[dodge]

That's what happens for the City of Melbourne election - you own a business in there or live there, you vote.  I think it may even mean that some people who do both get more than one vote

[Gointocarlton]

Ill give you a real life example of local members in action.
I think I have told this story but many years ago, we had issues in our street and area with young louts. I emailed then local member Martin Ferguson and bang, instant action by him and the local plods, problem solved for good.
I recently emailed local member Ged Kearney about problem in my local park, farken oxygen thief is all I'll say (once she eventually replied). Handballed me Greg Williams style to oxygen thief no 2 in Kat Theophanous.
Similar situations years appart, same party, totally different outcomes. Wouldn't vote for today's Labour version if my life depended on it.

[Lods]

A lot of candidates being outed as not living in their electorate, seems reasonable.

However, I'd ask this question, on working in or running a business in an electorate versus living there. If I live in one electorate and operate a business with employees in another electorate, should I be able to nominate for either location?

To me being an employer in an electorate is just as valid as a form of residency, perhaps even more valid given many might move house several times but maintain the physical location of a factory, store or pub!

I reckon that's probably fair enough.
You're probably employing people from the electorate your business is in so you would be across their concerns.

I think it's more of a problem if you're standing in  Townsville and you live in Pakenham as a One Nation candidate seems to be.

[Thryleon]

Not with a public face, but it is there, hidden from view. If it's allowed to flourish our sons and daughters will share less liberty than us.

Our generation complaining about the brutality of leadership in things like the recent "harsh lockdowns" just plays directly into the hands of the extremists, they want you to believe you've been hard done by, it's the currency they deal in. But they are not for all Australians, as you well know!

Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.

[capcom]

We certainly don't [member=105]Thryleon[/member] ... look no further than our own backyard under andrews.

[northernblue]

Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.

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[Mav]

The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) has always been an outspoken defender of civil liberties. So ... they'd rail against vaccine mandates, right? Wrong!

Do vaccine mandates violate civil liberties? Some who have refused vaccination claim as much.

We disagree.

At the ACLU, we are not shy about defending civil liberties, even when they are very unpopular. But we see no civil liberties problem with requiring Covid-19 vaccines in most circumstances.

While the permissibility of requiring vaccines for particular diseases depends on several factors, when it comes to Covid-19, all considerations point in the same direction. The disease is highly transmissible, serious and often lethal; the vaccines are safe and effective; and crucially there is no equally effective alternative available to protect public health.

In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated and communities of color hit hard by the disease.

Vaccine requirements also safeguard those whose work involves regular exposure to the public, like teachers, doctors and nurses, bus drivers and grocery store employees. And by inoculating people from the disease’s worst effects, the vaccines offer the promise of restoring to all of us our most basic liberties, eventually allowing us to return safely to life as we knew it, in schools and at houses of worship and political meetings, not to mention at restaurants, bars, and gatherings with family and friends.

Here’s why civil liberties objections to Covid vaccine mandates are generally unfounded.

Vaccines are a justifiable intrusion on autonomy and bodily integrity. That may sound ominous, because we all have the fundamental right to bodily integrity and to make our own health care decisions. But these rights are not absolute. They do not include the right to inflict harm on others.

While vaccine mandates are not always permissible, they rarely run afoul of civil liberties when they involve highly infectious and devastating diseases like Covid-19. Although this disease is novel, vaccine mandates are not. Schools, health care facilities, the U.S. military and many other institutions have long required vaccination for contagious diseases like mumps and measles that pose far less risk than the coronavirus does today.

In the United States alone, more than 39 million people have been infected with Covid-19 and more than 600,000 people have died. People with intellectual and physical disabilities are more likely to contract Covid-19, and they have much higher rates of hospitalization and death. Children’s hospitals in Georgia, Louisiana and other states are reporting high admissions of infected patients, and many are running out of beds.

Even though the F.D.A. and independent medical experts have found Covid-19 vaccines to be extremely safe and highly effective, a sizable portion of the eligible population has chosen not to be vaccinated. In this context, Covid-19 vaccine mandates — much like mask mandates — are public health measures necessary to protect people from severe illness and death. They are therefore permissible in many settings where the unvaccinated pose a risk to others, including schools and universities, hospitals, restaurants and bars, workplaces and businesses open to the public.

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-libertie...s-our-take

[Gointocarlton]

Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.

I wouldn't judge restrictions during a pandemic as loss of freedom.