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[capcom]

Or, Putin is just a c@#$ of a human.

Too kind [member=160]Gointocarlton[/member] ...

[Gointocarlton]

Too kind [member=160]Gointocarlton[/member] ...

Just calling a spade a spade. Sick of animals like that bloke and the DH from China taking the pi$$ thinking we are all dumb kents.

[DJC]

Putin dies and finds himself in the afterlife.  Ten years passes and he is given the opportunity to spend a day back with the living in Moscow.

Putin approaches the first person he sees and asks, “Is Kyiv still ours?”

“Yes.”

“Good!  Is Crimea still ours?”

“Yes.”

“Excellent!  How much is a cup of coffee?”

“Five euros.”

[capcom]

Well, we know how pi55 weak the UN are, but NATOs a bloody sight different.

[Thryleon]

Not disputing that putin is a douche but find me a politician that isn't.

This video sums things up better than anything else. Find Ukraine on the map and you'll understand why this is happening.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwsVJb-ckqM

[Lods]

Thry...Are you saying that if a country didn't exist in 1914 it shouldn't  exist now?

[Thryleon]

Thry...Are you saying that if a country didn't exist in 1914 it shouldn't  exist now?

Not at all Lods.

Im saying that the world has been in a state of flux for a long time, wars have been happening for a long time, and over simplifying the cause of this one being putin being a @#$!* is not doing anyone any favours.

At the end of the day people like to barrack for good guys vs bad guys, but when these events happen it should be a sombre reminder that we have lead a privleged existence and that this is human nature on show.

Nations have been invading each other for thousands of years and as far as im concerned of all the stoushes we have seen in my lifetime this one is closer to civil war/traditional war than most of the rest where nations have involved themselves in other countries business half way across the globe.

You have to admit whether the USA hit Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya rightly or wrongly, that wasn't exactly protecting their own interests.  In this case the Russians are definitely looking after their own interests and they actually have people in Ukraine.

The fact that I call them Ukraine not the Ukraine is a testament to my opinion here because that is a subtle difference that actually recognises their sovereignty.

[Thryleon]

Its just what has and will continue to occur whether folks like it or not.  Even today there are people still campaigning for their sovereignty in amongst all these nations and one of the major difficulties that the global communities face is when you draw a line on a map indicating a border, on each side of that border there are going to be people who are unhappy because their opinion of that border is different to what exists.  Ukraine is a nation forged under the interests of non russians and its a testament to how well propaganda works to see people continually bag Russia for simply trying to look after itself.

Would any other nation in the world act differently if they felt they needed to??  No, they wouldn't.

Oh and when you see a state created somewhere, unless it is strong enough to defend itself if it is of any geopolitical importance expect that one of the neighbors will try swallow it eventually and the only reason to break one off another is to allow one of the "other strong nations" an opportunity to carve up another.

[Thryleon]

Oh and watch the rest of the videos about war on a map.  You quickly detect a recurring them about the nations who are the aggressors and where the bulk of fighting occurs.

[capcom]

Putin is definitely on the wrong side of history.  The world will judge him accordingly.