Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021.

[spf]

Germany is peculiar, given it still has a very high percentage of youth who now self describe as socialists(I suppose if you go back 80 years and they would be fascists), some of whom also want the Nazis reframed as a socialist movement.

The Nazi's were the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Many people at that time would have described themselves as socialists - the nationalist variety.

I mentioned before there is a horrendous undercurrent in the anti-vax movement to paint distrust in vaccines throughout the 3rd world, because they want them to suffer.

Where is there ANY evidence of this? You are borderline mad. If you are wondering who the 'nutters' are LP - take a look in the mirror.

[LP]

Where is there ANY evidence of this? You are borderline mad. If you are wondering who the 'nutters' are LP - take a look in the mirror.

The protestors in Melbourne wearing fascist labels was a start locally, but I'm not referring just to local protestors.

Globally, there are threats of beheading or violence against the families of bureaucrats and health officials as well as politicians. Politicians sort of expect this, and authorities take measures to protect them like having a blacklisted address, here in Oz not even local police know who lives at a politicians private address! But Joe Average health worker or invoice stamper doesn't need to feel threatened just for going to work.

I suppose it is reasonable, after all it's not like they go around blowing people up or mowing them down with trucks and vans is it, so why would they see a virus as a weapon? I'm sure it's reasonable to think such ideology is beyond extremists!

For me the real issue the protestors need to look at is not the new laws, but that the new laws are the cheap-ar5e economic surrogate solution to being proactive and preparing for the next pandemic, as they should have been doing from about 18 years ago when SARS emerged! Scientists warned them back then, and they are warning them again now, but it's new laws not funding for real preventative and planning actions!

You can just read the writing on the wall, they'll get the new laws through and the issue will be dead and buried, along with a bunch of people next pandemic!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not sure you can put anti vaxxer's and anti "the Andrews Bill" in the same basket, there are plenty of double vaxxed citizens who dont want that Bill passed and see no need for it..
I'd be forgetting about Nazi's and fascists and looking at our far Northern communist neighbors who like to squash people with tanks, make people disappear, bully smaller countries and feck around with bats in labs and are the types to see a virus as a weapon. The main threat to Joe average health workers is the below average State Government especially the one I live in...the one where promised beds/staff/equipment never materialize and where the set aside money disappears quicker than a Chinese Doctor wanting to tell the truth about CoVid origins..

[LP]

Not sure you can put anti vaxxer's and anti "the Andrews Bill" in the same basket, there are plenty of double vaxxed citizens who dont want that Bill passed and see no need for it..
I'd be forgetting about Nazi's and fascists and looking at our far Northern communist neighbors who like to squash people with tanks, make people disappear, bully smaller countries and feck around with bats in labs and are the types to see a virus as a weapon. The main threat to Joe average health workers is the below average State Government especially the one I live in...the one where promised beds/staff/equipment never materialize and where the set aside money disappears quicker than a Chinese Doctor wanting to tell the truth about CoVid origins..

It's extremists that often drive the narrative in any frame of reference, social extremists, military extremists, economic extremists, political extremists and religious extremists. The squeaky wheel!

There are plenty of Joe Averages on all sides of this debate, nobody has asserted it's one in all in, the protestors and anti-vaxers are as diverse as the rest of us, but the majority are not the ones you need to worry about!

Trying to assert the extremists somehow do not exist because they are mostly invisible amongst the majority is almost a wilful or blissful ignorance. I suppose the thought is what harm can one or two really do?

Yet I suppose many of the same claiming it is all is good amongst the protestors will also subscribe to the Wuhan Lab Leak hypothesis, which would have been just one or two scientists, one or two politicians and / or one or two officers! :o

[capcom]

Not sure you can put anti vaxxer's and anti "the Andrews Bill" in the same basket, there are plenty of double vaxxed citizens who dont want that Bill passed and see no need for it..
I'd be forgetting about Nazi's and fascists and looking at our far Northern communist neighbors who like to squash people with tanks, make people disappear, bully smaller countries and feck around with bats in labs and are the types to see a virus as a weapon. The main threat to Joe average health workers is the below average State Government especially the one I live in...the one where promised beds/staff/equipment never materialize and where the set aside money disappears quicker than a Chinese Doctor wanting to tell the truth about CoVid origins..

Nicely put EB  

[DJC]

My former colleagues working in the city tell me that many of the protesters are waving US flags (why?) and several are carrying signs denouncing pedofiles (sic) so clearly QAnon loonies. Then there's the photograph of the airhead protesting about the proposed legislation being contrary to the 14th amendment  :

Of course, many people are genuinely concerned about the lack of parliamentary oversight for the proposed pandemic powers but they're not the folk abusing people for wearing masks, waving US flags, promoting QAnon garbage and confusing our political system with that of the USA.

[tonyo]

My former colleagues working in the city tell me that many of the protesters are waving US flags (why?) and several are carrying signs denouncing pedofiles (sic) so clearly QAnon loonies. Then there's the photograph of the airhead protesting about the proposed legislation being contrary to the 14th amendment  :

Of course, many people are genuinely concerned about the lack of parliamentary oversight for the proposed pandemic powers but they're not the folk abusing people for wearing masks, waving US flags, promoting QAnon garbage and confusing our political system with that of the USA.

....not to mention the never-ending stream of people who wear Trump supporter gear.  What the.....?

[Lods]

Do these extremist nutters define the crowd though.
(just asking , because I'm really not sure given the media coverage of these events.)
Are they the majority or driving force.
or
is it a bit like a BLM protest where folks focus on a few destructive rioters to derail a right to protest.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that given we'll probably finish up with about a 95% vacc coverage... are we giving too much attention and focus to what will be an insignificant amount of extremists.
They'll be revelling in that  :

[Thryleon]

Do these extremist nutters define the crowd though.
(just asking , because I'm really not sure given the media coverage of these events.)
Are they the majority or driving force.
or
is it a bit like a BLM protest where folks focus on a few destructive rioters to derail a right to protest.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that given we'll probably finish up with about a 95% vacc coverage... are we giving too much attention and focus to what will be an insignificant amount of extremists.
They'll be revelling in that  :

I dont understand how these people are nutters, and the BLM rioters were vindicated.

Both groups have a right to protest, whether you agree or disagree.

Beyond that, the loudest voices are often minorities these days. 

[Mav]

The Nazi's were the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Many people at that time would have described themselves as socialists - the nationalist variety.

Surely you're joking ...

From Wikipedia:

The Nazi Party,[a] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (b) or NSDAP), was a far-right[7][8] political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. The Nazi Party emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany.[9] The party was created to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[10] Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric. This was later downplayed to gain the support of business leaders, and in the 1930s the party's main focus shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes.[11]

There was never anything socialist about the Nazi Party: it was just a bait-and-switch tactic. The communists, socialists, and unions were the opposition Hitler was seeking to outmanoeuvre. It's amazing that such an obvious con is still working today. Far right policitians over in the US like Marjorie Taylor Greene are still claiming the Nazis were socialists even as we speak.

Let's put this simply: the Nazis were far right and socialists are on the left, and never the twain shall meet.