CV and mad panic behaviour

[madbluboy]

A guy I know lost his brother in the phillipines to covid, he was 42. He had 2 jabs of Sinovax.

[DJC]

Agreed, the next big issue might not be COVID directly but the indirect overload of hospitals and health care staff as we open up. I suspect like yourself the worst is potentially ahead of us, a lot hangs in the balance subject to the new treatments because immunity it seems won't be everlasting.

As I've said several times, we can open up but we must still respect the safe basics, and I fear it will descend into a free for all.

Japan is also a nice model to monitor, it has basically preceded what has happened in NSW and Vic and now enters winter, they are not confident at all and have a large chunk of the population vaccinated. A population that is far far more compliant than here! :o

Bejing has locked down millions even though they are nearly all vaccinated with Sinovax, note we are about to approve Sinovax locally.

These are significant tells!

The TGA has recognised Sinovax and Covishield (India's version of AstraZeneca) but will not approve them.  That means that neither vaccine will be used in Australia but folk fully vaccinated with either will be permitted to enter Australia.

It was interesting listening to Norman Swan today.  He was discussing the impact of vaccine passports on infection rates in Israel and Denmark. 

He was asked whether a vaccinated person should socialise with an unvaccinated friend.  The answer was "Yes, unless you have children." 

[LP]

The TGA has recognised Sinovax and Covishield (India's version of AstraZeneca) but will not approve them.  That means that neither vaccine will be used in Australia but folk fully vaccinated with either will be permitted to enter Australia.

That resolves a problem for a lot of travellers.

I've heard that acknowledging the vaccines is just the first step with further applications to come in the weeks that follow, but I admit I'm not familiar with the process. The comments seemed to make sense, by getting the vaccinations accepted they basically use arriving vaccine recipients as local proof that the vaccines provide efficacy. If they didn't arrivals would have to be re-inoculated and they lose the evidence. So the strategy is that unless there are excessive numbers of cases appearing in arriving Sinovax recipients they are unlikely to refuse a future application.

A lot of the pressure for this to happen is coming out of education and tourism sectors, they want Asian travellers back!

Ironically, being re-vaccinated won't be a bad thing for the vast majority of people!

[kruddler]

A guy who does some work for us has had to take off until the end of the year (at least).

His Mum, dad and grandfather who all live together have all copped covid. He has to look after them. He is double vaxed (not sure about them) but will almost certainly get it too.

[DJC]

A friend’s three year old grandson was infected with COVID at childcare last month.  Fortunately, he wasn’t very ill and is back to full health.  His parents and grandmother are fully vaccinated and, despite the little fellow’s best efforts and generous sharing of bodily fluids, they were not infected.

[Mav]

Victoria’s 91.3% first dose rate is first rate. I’d imagine the committed anti-vaxxers will make it hard to improve much on that figure.

But that figure needs to be reduced to reflect the vaccination rate in the whole community as it includes only those 16 years and over. Assuming around 20% are younger than that, then the first dose vaccination rate goes down to about 73% of the community. But that figure would have to be increased to reflect vaccinations in the 12-15 year age group unless those vaccinations are included already in the 91.3% figure.

[DJC]

Victoria’s 91.3% first dose rate is first rate. I’d imagine the committed anti-vaxxers will make it hard to improve much on that figure.

But that figure needs to be reduced to reflect the vaccination rate in the whole community as it includes only those 16 years and over. Assuming around 20% are younger than that, then the first dose vaccination rate goes down to about 73% of the community. But that figure would have to be increased to reflect vaccinations in the 12-15 year age group unless those vaccinations are included already in the 91.3% figure.

The 91.3% figure is 16s and older.

79% of Victoria's 12-15 year olds have received their first vaccination and 45% are fully vaccinated.  That's an amazing result given the timeframe.

[madbluboy]

Victoria’s 91.3% first dose rate is first rate. I’d imagine the committed anti-vaxxers will make it hard to improve much on that figure.

But that figure needs to be reduced to reflect the vaccination rate in the whole community as it includes only those 16 years and over. Assuming around 20% are younger than that, then the first dose vaccination rate goes down to about 73% of the community. But that figure would have to be increased to reflect vaccinations in the 12-15 year age group unless those vaccinations are included already in the 91.3% figure.

The anti vaxxer I work with just gave up and got it done. He was going to hold out till the state of emergency finished but realised nothing is going to change with Dan's super power bill about to go through.

We have a contractor who visits here most days who got an exemption till December by signing up for a trial for the Aussie vaccine.

[Mantis]

Dan Andrews super bill. The Pandemic Management bill will be a big problem for the entire community in Victoria. It will create many problems if it gets through. Allowing rules and restrictions including restrictions of movements based on “individual attributes and characteristics “ applies to any living person on this planet. Don’t we all have individual attributes and or characteristics? Wow. Welcome back to the Second World War with what the Nazi regime put into place. Just asking a question. Just saying what is going on. No speculation here. Democracy under question? Maybe.? Maybe not?

[capcom]

I wouldn't trust him to take a dog for a walk ... power mad