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An interesting spin on all this liberty and freedom of choice debate is where a business stands versus the individual. It may well be true some individual liberties have been violated and cannot be enforced on the individual, but it's not clear at all that business cannot be forced to be compliant, and I suspect this is where it goes next.
If they make the digital certificate process two-factor, where Part-A comes from the individual and Part-B comes from the business, a bit like PKI, then they can track and trace businesses that fail to comply, simply because some clients will have legitimate Apps and certificates. They may not be able to penalise a fraudulent individual, but they can surely make accepting forgeries very expensive or uncomfortable for the a business. Auditors would quickly see a trend appearing in the trading data for any business that was 'sympathetic' to fraudulent clients.
In effect they can make it so onerous on fraudsters or fraudulent businesses that it potentially becomes impossible to deal!
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(10-14-2021, 10:01 PM)Mav link Wrote:Hell no, she’s on her way to sainthood after being a martyr to ICAC, so best avoid that.
Brilliant opinion piece from Michael Gerson in the Washington Post. When you’re reading this, bear in mind he is a neo-conservative and former speechwriter for George Dubya:
Brilliant? Facile more likely.
Why is CV19 anything to do with politics?
And herein lies your problem:
Quote:But if these vaccines are carefully tested and encourage greater immunity to a deadly disease, with minimal risk of side effects
That is laughable.
They have not been carefully tested - a blatant lie - studies are still ongoing. I understand some animal studies were skipped and several other tests eg relating to fertility.
They do not encourage greater immunity - even the manufacturer's acknowledge this fact.
And there is not minimal risk of side effects (and no one has any idea about the longer term issues - as we aren't there yet).
Brilliant?
Far from it.
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(10-15-2021, 07:47 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:And there is not minimal risk of side effects (and no one has any idea about the longer term issues - as we aren't there yet).
Brilliant?
Far from it. This may or may not be correct.
BUT...
We do know of some long term effects from Covid.
There is 2 doors.
You can 'take your chances' with the most likely safe long term effects before door #1 (get vaxed)
or
Go behind door #2 where you know there is something that can give you long term effects or even kill you....and those around you.
For some unknown reason you are choosing door #2.
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Judge dismisses challenges to NSW COVID-19 vaccination orders for workers, abc.net.au.
Quote:Each unvaccinated worker cited similar concerns about insufficient long-term data on COVID-19 vaccine safety and side effects.
The cases used various arguments to attack the validity of the health orders but contained common threads.
They contended that the orders violated rights to bodily integrity and privacy, implemented civil conscription, represented a breach of natural justice and were made by Health Minister Brad Hazzard without clear legislative authority.
He said any consideration about the reasonableness of orders should be undertaken by reference to the objects of the public health act, which were "directed exclusively at public safety".
The judge found that if an order was made interfering with freedom of movement and differentiating on "arbitrary grounds" unrelated to public health risks, such as race or gender, it would be at "severe risk" of being found to be invalid.
"However, the differential treatment of people according to their vaccination status is not arbitrary," Justice Beech-Jones wrote in his judgment.
"Instead, it applies a discrimen, namely vaccination status, that on the evidence and the approach taken by the minister is very much consistent with the objects of the Public Health Act."
The judge further rejected a constitutional argument about civil conscription and an asserted inconsistency with the immunisation register act.
"So far as the right to bodily integrity is concerned, it is not violated as the impugned orders do not authorise the involuntary vaccination of anyone," he said.
"Curtailing the free movement of persons, including their movement to and at work, are the very type of restrictions that the public health act clearly authorises."
The judgment was broadcast over a live stream on YouTube where some 40,000 people watched. Let’s hope the vaccine hesitant now have another reason to stop tilting at windmills and get their jabs like responsible citizens do for the public good.
Of course, the Victorian challenges may be able to find more support in the bill of rights, but the more general notion that vaccine mandates are unfair and unreasonable has taken a major hit.
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I’d just emphasise that this line is relevant to every jurisdiction:
Quote:"So far as the right to bodily integrity is concerned, it is not violated as the impugned orders do not authorise the involuntary vaccination of anyone," he said
I know that opponents of vaccine mandates like to say they force people to take vaccines, but that’s not true. There is still a choice and no force is used. A failure to vaccinate won’t mean the unvaccinated will be shut out of work in their field or from entertainment venues permanently. They can wait for Covid to pass and those restrictions will end, just as lockdown restrictions come and go. Any restriction is temporary.
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Anyone wonder why Ivermectin was being pushed?
Australians still keen to buy Covid-19 drug ivermectin, as misinformation complaints are investigated, news.com.au.
Quote:According to hacked data provided to The Intercept, a network of health care providers pocketed millions of dollars selling drugs like ivermectin through online consultations.
It found that America’s Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group founded last year to promote pro-Trump doctors during the pandemic, was working with a small network of health care companies to create concern around vaccines, and to push people into investing in unproven treatments.
At least $15 million was reportedly spent by patients on consultations and medications combined, with some people paying exorbitant prices for drugs like ivermectin.
And I thought they were doing it to help people ...
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(10-15-2021, 08:51 AM)Mav link Wrote:Judge dismisses challenges to NSW COVID-19 vaccination orders for workers, abc.net.au.
The judgment was broadcast over a live stream on YouTube where some 40,000 people watched. Let’s hope the vaccine hesitant now have another reason to stop tilting at windmills and get their jabs like responsible citizens do for the public good.
Of course, the Victorian challenges may be able to find more support in the bill of rights, but the more general notion that vaccine mandates are unfair and unreasonable has taken a major hit.
It will be appealed.
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(10-15-2021, 09:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Anyone wonder why Ivermectin was being pushed?
Australians still keen to buy Covid-19 drug ivermectin, as misinformation complaints are investigated, news.com.au.
And I thought they were doing it to help people ...
You need to get out more Mav.
It works.
c19ivermectin.com
Funny how these new pills are so wonderful, with a lower efficacy....hmmm.
Wait? They cost 100x as much? That can't be....surely...
Thomas Borody says hi. To your missus too.
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I didn’t realise the drug has its own website. it must work against Covid, then.
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