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Not sure any individual is entitled to physically harm others through deliberate invocation of their personal preferences.
There is a huge difference between someone who legitimately cannot be vaccinated and someone who can but refuses vaccination.
People who legitimately cannot be vaccinated and totally reliant on those that can be vaccinated will be vaccinated.
People who legitimately cannot be vaccinated are also the silent victims of those who can be vaccinated but refuse to be vaccinated.
The anti-vaccination stance is not symmetrical in rights, because it leads to more harm than the pro-vaccination movement.
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(09-30-2021, 01:28 AM)Mav date Wrote:Then you have the problem of FBT. What are the implications for hospitals if they provide free parking for staff? If they have to pay top dollar for that parking to the Federal Govt, it would make more sense to increase pay rather than give fringe benefits. Hospitals are primarily run by bean counters, they extract profit from parking and get paid a bonus for doing so, they have no desire to provide it for free!
Focus on triple baseline ideology, reward the bean counters only for improving all aspects of operation and maximising benefits for both the hospital and for it's staff, and the equation will change. Do not reward bean counters for robbing the poor!
In Germany where a post war mandate means staff have to form part of the business executive/board, things run much much better because nobody has the power to profit at the expense of others. It the primary reason for the strong drive in it's economy, everyone profits from improvements.
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As a health care eployee, the parking situation is as follows:
Everyone (CEO to cleaner) can elect to be charged for parking. Salary sacrificed pre-tax. The real world cost is actually quite small. The problem is capacity and access and that's where it becomes an issue that is not easily solved.
If everyone wants one, there isn't enough available and there is a wait list to get car parking access. (thats my health service anyway).
There are staff electing not to have parking, but there is a sense of entitlement to it, and refusal to pay for it. Thing is, we all pay for it out of our taxes anyway.
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(09-30-2021, 01:46 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:As a health care eployee, the parking situation is as follows: Great to see you back and about!
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Some hospitals offer permanent full time day shift nurses a discount on parking, usually about $4. Councils make a fortune out of local parking and fines as well so are loathe to help by removing restrictions or offering permits. There were suggestions that security guards would be used to escort staff to cars parked further away at night but that seems to have gone through to the keeper.
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(09-30-2021, 01:48 AM)LP link Wrote:Great to see you back and about! x2
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On a personal level, I left this forum for various reasons, and have returned for my own reasons too which Im not going to go too heavily into here, but I can see that people continue to see things through their own myopic lenses, rather than looking at the bigger picture here.
The standard you walk past is the one you are willing to accept.
No jab no job, is an abysmal way to run things, and on a societal level, we need to think really hard about what we are doing to people. From a health service perspective, they cannot have un vaccinated employees running around the place either so it becomes a real conundrum and simply mandating it shows a government that is out of touch with its society, and anyone advocating no jab no job, should take a really good hard look at themselves.
When you start to resemble certain dictatorships that have occurred throughout history, it sets a really dangerous precedent for society as a whole. I have not been a fan of people and their opinions on these subjects for the last couple of months.
What I see playing out publically is downright appalling. Many of these people are acting in misguided ways to achieve whatever goals they are trying to, but I struggle to see any real common sense in any of this stuff.
Vicpol, to serve and protect. That includes democratic rights of the populace you are employed by.
The tradies have not covered themselves in glory (the attack on the journalists abhorrent to say the least) kicking dogs, ridiculous, and defending the indefensible. Its downright outrageous and Ive had a gutful. We are in the midst of a pandemic and its bloody serious, and people are too busy being weaponised by political motivations, and not fighting simply for their rights. Stop being tools.
Finally, victorian and federal government. This petty and draconian approach to shutting down conversations is ridiculous and actually welcomes the exact reaction you are fighting against. Have the conversations, and dont let the media drive it. Ive heard more information about all subjects covid by comedians on the ABC than I have from accredited doctors and politicians. Where are the think tank discussions broadcast on TV that go in depth about the precise modelling you are basing your restrictions on? Why isnt there more information out there, encouraging people to seek medical advise regarding the vaccine and NOT TO FOLLOW FING SOCIAL MEDIA!!!
I have similarly had enough of people claiming a lot about everything. Simple equation. You have questions about vaccination? go talk to health professionals. Get your answers, and then determine the appropriate course of action. The government have absolutely not provided any real information to people here about the vaccines, their manufacture, where they get. If you have to go searching to find it, you have stuffed this up.
Really really shocked that we have descended to the general level of lunacy that i see perpetuated as truths these days across society and have had a gutful of all the politicised rhetoric I hear. This is serious, or its crap, but either way, treat the public with the respect they deserve.
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A guy I work with just got a call from his wife saying their doctor vaccinated their 8 year old daughter. His wife asked if she was too young but the doctor said that she is old enough. The doctor called her half an hour later saying they made a mistake and they have to make some calls and she might have to go to hospital for monitoring.
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Thanks for the welcome back I have missed the place, and have spent significant time post operation at home, so it shows just how serious I was about having a break.
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Good to see you back Thry.
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