CV and mad panic behaviour

[kruddler]

IMO this is the biggest concern/apprehension facing the average person as to whether to have it or not its the unknown side effects and the fact they will not and cant give any data on it mid to long term safety as the normal testing processes have not been able to be applied to this one?

There will be no comparing of side effects and then make a decision as the Pfizer and AZ side effects wont be known for many years.

How those who are advocating pregnant women to take the vaccine can look at them self in the mirror is anyone's guess.  Who in the right mind while having a delicate fetus forming inside them would without the pressure of media/pollies etc happily accept a vaccine when there is no side effect data available and put bluntly they cannot tell you 100% if its safe for the mother let alone a fetus.  I mean has there even been one pregnant women die of this strain in Australia and yet they try and scare poor mothers into taking it.  And no recourse later will make up for babies being born with health issues.

Madness.   

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

FWIW, my wife is a microbiologist/protein biochemist who specialises in infectious diseases and vaccine research.
Forgive me if i'm going to trust her judgement over yours.
My sister in law is pregnant with her first child and we had no trouble encouraging her to get the vaccine.

If you want links to this to educate yourself on the topic, i can provide them for you.

[LP]

IMO this is the biggest concern/apprehension facing the average person as to whether to have it or not its the unknown side effects and the fact they will not and cant give any data on it mid to long term safety as the normal testing processes have not been able to be applied to this one?

There will be no comparing of side effects and then make a decision as the Pfizer and AZ side effects wont be known for many years.

How those who are advocating pregnant women to take the vaccine can look at them self in the mirror is anyone's guess.  Who in the right mind while having a delicate fetus forming inside them would without the pressure of media/pollies etc happily accept a vaccine when there is no side effect data available and put bluntly they cannot tell you 100% if its safe for the mother let alone a fetus.  I mean has there even been one pregnant women die of this strain in Australia and yet they try and scare poor mothers into taking it.  And no recourse later will make up for babies being born with health issues.

Madness.

Actually, statistically speaking, the huge number of doses issued is a valid substitute for issuing less doses and waiting many more years.

I know you don't believe that, but it is just the way it is! It's because side-effects do not happen lock step in time, but on a spectrum of intervals after vaccination. So by the time you have injected enough people you should be seeing the appearance of early cases if there is going to be some significant side-effects. Side-effects like efficacy is represented on a bell curve.

[ElwoodBlues1]

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

FWIW, my wife is a microbiologist/protein biochemist who specialises in infectious diseases and vaccine research.
Forgive me if i'm going to trust her judgement over yours.
My sister in law is pregnant with her first child and we had no trouble encouraging her to get the vaccine.

If you want links to this to educate yourself on the topic, i can provide them for you.

I cant get a read on the vaccine for pregnant women debate, my daughter who wants to start a family was referred to two different Obstetrician-gynecologists and one said the vaccines were safe and the other said no if you were pregnant. Her sister inlaw who is pregnant was told No vaccine as well by another specialist...what to believe?

[kruddler]

I cant get a read on the vaccine for pregnant women debate, my daughter who wants to start a family was referred to two different Obstetrician-gynecologists and one said the vaccines were safe and the other said no if you were pregnant. Her sister inlaw who is pregnant was told No vaccine as well by another specialist...what to believe?

If nothing else, the chance of the mother getting Covid and the effect that would have on the foetus is far more likely (and worse) than any potential effect the vaccine could have on the foetus.

That aside, there are personal circumstances that would cause a doctor(s) to say yes/no other than because the vaccine is not safe....but that is what is usually assumed.

[ElwoodBlues1]

If nothing else, the chance of the mother getting Covid and the effect that would have on the foetus is far more likely (and worse) than any potential effect the vaccine could have on the foetus.

That aside, there are personal circumstances that would cause a doctor(s) to say yes/no other than because the vaccine is not safe....but that is what is usually assumed.

My daughter has had issues with Polycystic ovaries but has tested fine recently and also had the extra testing for genetic issues as well with no problems found. Not sure of her SIL's medical profile, I would have thought like you that more risk in passing on CoVid in the short term....

https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/the-curi...ished=true

[shawny]

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

FWIW, my wife is a microbiologist/protein biochemist who specialises in infectious diseases and vaccine research.
Forgive me if i'm going to trust her judgement over yours.
My sister in law is pregnant with her first child and we had no trouble encouraging her to get the vaccine.

If you want links to this to educate yourself on the topic, i can provide them for you.

As you know I rarely comment on your posts or your replies to my posts for that matter but this one got to me. Like (I’m nearly certain) many on here I find your posts are rarely if ever accepting of people’s ‘ opinions’ generally have a condescending slate and mostly angled towards you not ever backing down in attempting to convince everyone you’re an authority on every single topic discussed. Apart from that you’re usually rude and find a way to get personal.

Your reply confirms the above.

Your poor wife ??‍♂️

[shawny]

I cant get a read on the vaccine for pregnant women debate, my daughter who wants to start a family was referred to two different Obstetrician-gynecologists and one said the vaccines were safe and the other said no if you were pregnant. Her sister inlaw who is pregnant was told No vaccine as well by another specialist...what to believe?

EB if 2 out 3 specialists advise against it wouldn't that be enough to cast real doubt on it? 

Massive risk and burden to carry if it turns out bad.

I mean specialists say no to mums eating raw fish, blue cheese, no glass of wine but hey let’s stick a vaccine in that has not had the usual testing with no long term data and hope for the best on a growing baby.

What am I missing here.

[kruddler]

As you know I rarely comment on your posts or your replies to my posts for that matter but this one got to me. Like (I’m nearly certain) many on here I find your posts are rarely if ever accepting of people’s ‘ opinions’ generally have a condescending slate and mostly angled towards you not ever backing down in attempting to convince everyone you’re an authority on every single topic discussed. Apart from that you’re usually rude and find a way to get personal.

Your reply confirms the above.

Your poor wife ??‍♂️

There is one thing to have an opinion on something football related that is rather subjective.
There is another to have an opinion on something that is based on science or in your case zero evidence and if people believe it, it can ruin lives.
I will not apologise for defending science against the uninformed masses and if your feelings got hurt by my personal reply then I hope it shocks you into thinking about what you say in the future that can cause harm to others.
In response to you calling me out on that personal approach, I suggest you reread your response.... or are you exempt from your own rules?  Hypocrite.

[Lods]

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

I thought both were acceptable spellings.

(but these days I get my 'here' and 'hear'... and 'there' and 'their' mixed up when I'm writing ) ;D

[kruddler]

I thought both were acceptable spellings.

(but these days I get my 'here' and 'hear'... and 'there' and 'their' mixed up when I'm writing ) ;D

Depends what country you are in.

It seems he's been reading a lot of american propaganda with that spelling.