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And I say they’re not enough. Check out the article about the attempt to use Wilcannia as a pop-up Ivermectin trial. There was some Sydney doctor who was poised to write out Ivermectin prescriptions via the TeleHealth system to bypass the reisitance from the local doctors and community leaders. Doing nothing and allowing anti-vaxxers to make the vaccine passport system a joke will result in the general public seeing it as useless red tape. And that’s the goal of anti-vaxxers.
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Boris has scrapped the vax passport idea in England, people will get fake passports, the dark web will provide software cracks etc etc for the govt apps. Plus business owners will want every patron they can get given they have suffered financial losses, it gets discussed everytime we are getting takeaway coffees etc from a couple of cafes we go to and they all said they would serve people without vax passports. As is half the folk entering cafes, supermarkets, petrol stations etc dont check in anyway...just dont know how you would police such a system and I cant see police wanting much involvement with it either.
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Trying to support your argument with “Even Boris won’t do it ...” doesn’t seem convincing. He’s just a Trump-style politician who’s more interested in selling miracle cures which relieves him of the responsibility of making hard decisions which might piss people off. He’s just the type to say he wants a vaccine passport system so he can then “reluctantly” torpedo the idea.
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09-14-2021, 06:06 AM
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I'm a bit confused about the UK situation, it's reported as vaccine Passports, but as I understand it they are basically canning travel visas of all types over the coming winter months whether you have a vaccine certificate or not!
But the media like to paint it as a win for those in the anti-vaccine passport stakes, I suspect it'll return when they have another crack at re-opening the borders. My UK associates tell me they have a huge problem now, the re-opened too soon, flooded the hospitals with B and C-Grade COVID cases and as a result people are dying from recoverable heart attacks and strokes while they wait for a bed!
It's all apparently being driven by those who won't get vaccinated, they are now 98% of cases, yet they are happy to occupy a hospital bed for apparently something they don't need a vaccine for!
I get the social media calls for a "tough crap" approach, but I doubt those who sacrifice themselves in the care of others would ever agree to it.
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(09-14-2021, 05:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Trying to support your argument with “Even Boris won’t do it ...” doesn’t seem convincing. He’s just a Trump-style politician who’s more interested in selling miracle cures which relieves him of the responsibility of making hard decisions which might piss people off. He’s just the type to say he wants a vaccine passport system so he can then “reluctantly” torpedo the idea. You have to make it work and that means throwing resources at it and expecting business owners to play along too....having a us vs them mentality wont work in business when people have done it hard and you want to throw more regulations at them.
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09-14-2021, 06:14 AM
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(09-14-2021, 06:06 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:You have to make it work and that means throwing resources at it and expecting business owners to play along too....having a us vs them mentality wont work in business when people have done it hard and you want to throw more regulations at them. Agree, I think there are much better ways to waste money than creating more rules and regulations that won't be implemented or enforced anyway, at least on the commercial side!
But I do make a point of difference about borders, and it looks like here in Oz we'll have eVax Certs attached to our ePassport before long. That is almost impossible to fake for anyone except a foreign government, personally I'm all for it, because I travel a lot or at least use to travel a lot and anything that makes getting through customs easier and faster is a win win! Airports are my purgatory, the plane is an oasis(I do tend to be at the pointy end), and home is heaven!
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How's that 43% rating trending Biden? Be finished in the mid terms
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(09-14-2021, 06:14 AM)LP link Wrote:Agree, I think there are much better ways to waste money than creating more rules and regulations that won't be implemented or enforced anyway, at least on the commercial side!
But I do make a point of difference about borders, and it looks like here in Oz we'll have eVax Certs attached to our ePassport before long. That is almost impossible to fake for anyone except a foreign government, personally I'm all for it, because I travel a lot or at least use to travel a lot and anything that makes getting through customs easier and faster is a win win! Airports are my purgatory, the plane is an oasis(I do tend to be at the pointy end), and home is heaven! Agree I think for international travel with passports and anything to with airlines in general it can be introduced and policed properly but at local level cafes, pubs, sporting events, hotels/motels, tourism etc its going to be much harder and more open to fraud as well as lack of enforcement if it is going to cost small business money.
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09-14-2021, 06:27 AM
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Read these figures today, not sure if that relates to the nurse I heard earlier. Quote:More than 500 of the state’s total active cases are children under nine, and 85 per cent of the 3799 active cases are people aged under 60.
Of Victoria’s active cases:
563 are under 9 years of age.
647 are aged 10 to 19.
906 are in their 20s.
603 are in their 30s.
Youth don't get it!
There is no need for a tautology to explain that phrase. :o
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That assumes the unvaccinated are monolithic in their refusal to vaccinate. In reality, many will respond to vaccination passports by getting vaccinated.
This is obvious from the article I originally quoted. The desperate search for compliant GPs doesn’t suggest to me that we’re dealing with an army of dark-web activists. No doubt there will still be a rump of hold-outs, but they can be pursued as criminals.
I’m sure when a few businesses get closed down, the message will get around. The law isn’t just something the right-wingers get to use against left-wingers, after all. The law’s the law.
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