CV and mad panic behaviour

[Mav]

I don’t really agree with this sort of site, it can be a continuation of the division that has dominated politics (and seemingly life) for the past 10-15 years, admin feel free to chop it if you desire.

There was talk earlier about anti vaxers who had met their match in COVID…

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

Such a site would be useful if anti-vaxxers & vaccine hesitant people would surf it. But let's face it, they don't want to hear bad news. Far better for online news sites to run stories about prominent anti-vaxxers who die as anti-vaxxers & vaccine hesitant internet surfers are more likely to see those headlines & be affected by them.

It's the least that someone who has spread misinformation and disinformation about vaccines could do to redress their malign influence: be a cautionary tale for others of their persuasion.

Unfortunately, anti-vaxxers still profit when their own die: "They said vaccines would stop Covid but look at all those people dying from Covid! Vaccines don't work!" It doesn't matter that the unvaccinated are the main victims.

And we need death and hospitalisation stats which show breakdowns by age and vaccination status. For instance, breakthrough infections are hardly surprising amongst double-jabbed 80 year olds as they only have the immunity of an unvaccinated 50 year old. But hospitalisations after breakthrough infections amongst fit 20 year olds would be alarming. 

[Macca37]

For instance, breakthrough infections are hardly surprising amongst double-jabbed 80 year olds as they only have the immunity of an unvaccinated 50 year old.

Wow!  I did not know that.  Let's hope a few stiff whiskys will kick my immune system along.

[cookie2]

Wow!  I did not know that.  Let's hope a few stiff whiskys will kick my immune system along.

I can highly recommend the Sottish remedy.

[Mav]

It was asserted by an expert quoted in an article regarding breakthrough infections published in the SMH 3months back. Who knows whether the intervening period has changed the modelling. The thrust is that the risks are heavily age-dependent. IIRC, the suggestion was that the risk doubles for every 7 years' increase in age.   

[Mav]

Here's what I posted about it before:

Interesting article in the SMH: The truth about what vaccines are achieving, from a country getting it right
The opening 2 paragraphs and the last paragraph are:

By now you’ve probably heard Scott Morrison’s argument, which goes something like this: Australia can’t yet talk about a post-pandemic future because we still don’t know whether vaccines guarantee a return to normality.

To illustrate the point, the Prime Minister regularly notes COVID-19 cases are climbing in Britain even though 85 per cent of all adults have been given one dose of a vaccine and 62 per cent the full two.

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The Prime Minister is entitled to defend his strategy. But he also has an obligation to not cherry pick the facts about a vaccination program far more successful than his own.

It makes these points:

• Infections were always going to increase as the UK came out of lockdown.
  
• While infections are up, deaths are much lower than previously for comparable cases.
  
• Of the 92,000 people infected with the Delta variant since Feb, only 7.8% involve those who were double vaccinated.
  
• Nobody in England aged under 50 and double jabbed has died from the Delta variant this year.
  
• It’s believed the vaccines have prevented about 7 million from being infected.
  

The fact that the double vaccinated are still being infected and some are dying is due to the vulnerability of older people:
David Spiegelhalter, the chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge, and Anthony Masters, a statistical ambassador for the Royal Statistical Society, have a simple explanation for why so many fully vaccinated people died: the vaccines are not perfect and older people will always be at most risk.

“The risk of dying from COVID-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap,” they wrote in The Guardian. “This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still [it’s] not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.”

This highlights the need to vaccinate the workers at aged care centres as well as the residents.

[Mav]

Intriguing that SloMo's tune has changed a lot since that article was published. Now 70% vaccination is fine & dandy. I guess we shouldn't be surprised at a politician changing tune so spectacularly.

[ElwoodBlues1]

70%.... is 70% of the adult population only...as Israel are now finding out you need to be doing older children as well and I think I read there are trials on for 5 year old and above kids as well. I'm not a real fan of jabbing young kids with untested vaccines and I think its going to be a heavily debated issue. My kids are all adults so I'm glad I dont have to make that decision...

[spf]

I wonder if we will see it here before the end of the year.

NOVAVAX: A “Traditional” VACCINE for COVID-19 soon to be released?
https://youtu.be/DcZIcRCKgss

[PaulP]

https://theconversation.com/why-are-we-s...ins-166741

[Mav]

On a day when Victoria has recorded over 300 new cases, there’s some good news from the front.

Appearing on the ABC’s 7.30 last night, Professor Sarah Gilbert said that while “there may be a first booster program … I wouldn’t expect it to happen every single year”.
“We’re going to develop long-term immunity to this virus. I think that the most vulnerable, the oldest members of society, those who are immunocompromised are going to need regular boosters,” she added.
“But for younger people, we normally see good maintenance of immune responses.”
While the Pfizer vaccine offers slightly higher protection following a second dose compared to AstraZeneca, studies have found its protection fades faster.

There’s also the suggestion that breakthrough infections may confer superimmunity, not just against the variant that caused the breakthrough infection but against all Covid variants.