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(08-21-2021, 04:37 AM)Baggers link Wrote:That major change is needed. Hopefully this is what the review delivers. Still a moving beast.
Still going to come down to the players changing the culture and developing the motivation to be successful. Otherwise the long term effect of any review will come to nothing. Review will identify that but will it change much beyond a one season sugar hit.
All other club reviews kept their coach, supported him to the hilt, streamlined his workload and put the very best people around them. in each case they were successful. Unless that one cultural thing can changed though, and it hasn't in 20 years, then not alot will change in the long run.
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(08-21-2021, 04:53 AM)laj link Wrote:Still going to come down to the players changing the culture and developing the motivation to be successful. Otherwise the long term effect of any review will come to nothing. Review will identify that but will it change much beyond a one season sugar hit.
All other club reviews kept their coach, supported him to the hilt, streamlined his workload and put the very best people around them. in each case they were successful. Unless that one cultural thing can changed though, and it hasn't in 20 years, then not alot will change in the long run. Except Coll (Buckley) and Adelaide (Pyke).
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(08-21-2021, 05:56 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Except Coll (Buckley) and Adelaide (Pyke). Did they get dismissed after reviews, or did they resign?
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(08-21-2021, 05:57 AM)LP link Wrote:Did they get dismissed after reviews, or did they resign? Pyke was gone and left before, Buckley they told he wasn't getting a contract, thats dismissed in my view. Their review was kept internal. The man we are allegedly chasing also got dismissed, sacked, moved on, whatever you want to call it.
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(08-21-2021, 04:53 AM)laj link Wrote:Still going to come down to the players changing the culture and developing the motivation to be successful. Otherwise the long term effect of any review will come to nothing. Review will identify that but will it change much beyond a one season sugar hit.
All other club reviews kept their coach, supported him to the hilt, streamlined his workload and put the very best people around them. in each case they were successful. Unless that one cultural thing can changed though, and it hasn't in 20 years, then not alot will change in the long run.
Seems you're blaming the club, players and culture on The TTs predicament. So The TT bears no responsibility? Everyone else's fault?
By the way, plenty of coaches have been given their marching orders after a review... it's just the reviews that most clubs conduct, quite often, don't get the analysis or publicity of ours. No matter what the CFC does... it news and fair game.
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(08-21-2021, 06:11 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Seems you're blaming the club, players and culture on The TTs predicament. So The TT bears no responsibility? Everyone else's fault?
By the way, plenty of coaches have been given their marching orders after a review... it's just the reviews that most clubs conduct, quite often, don't get the analysis or publicity of ours. No matter what the CFC does... it news and fair game.
It's been the downfall of 6 coaches. Like who in their right mind hasn't worked that out. What the hell do you think the issue is. You new to football and missed the other 17 years?
Not as if this is only coach that has struggled in 20 years. Actually Teague struggled less than everyone bar Ratten in that time. Did better here than a great in Malthouse, who took over a finals side, not one that took over a side that had won 4 from the last 43. Seeing he's done a bit better and despite players attitude and effort, has had us talking finals late in the year. Hence I believe better support, not reviews mid year putting everyone under extreme pressure, better people around him, streamlining his work would help quite a bit. Only one year of his contract to go so a better option to me. Doesn't work then change. Now we'll go to a bloke who's last 3 years of coaching have between worse. 23 successive goals in a row in 2018l, beating our 19 last week, with 12 of his 17 10 goals losses coming in that time. Like I said, he'll fit just nicely here. Hopefully we'll at least get a honeymoon year as we get with a new coach.
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(08-21-2021, 05:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Except Coll (Buckley) and Adelaide (Pyke).
The was a "public" review in 2017 into Collingwood and Buckley after that season. They decided to keep him against all odds and he went on to make the Grand Final and Preliminary Final the next 2 years. He had underachieved severely before than.
https://footyology.com.au/1527-2/
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/22/p...s-exposed/
Pyke was obvious given what went on there. Bad error. He'll learn from that as he can coach.
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Hypothetical, tonight after the game win, lose or draw, the board resigns en masse and are replaced by me, LP, Baggers, Pauly, laj, Krudd, Micky0, Proff, Fly, Thry and Cap (forget the numbers for a minute), what's our first job tomorrow morning?
Go.
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(08-21-2021, 06:55 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Hypothetical, tonight after the game win, lose or draw, the board resigns en masse and are replaced by me, LP, Baggers, Pauly, laj, Krudd, Micky0, Proff, Fly, Thry and Cap (forget the numbers for a minute), what's our first job tomorrow morning?
Go. First job?
Offer Eddie a contract for 1 more year. ;D
Realistically, go to David Teague and ask him what he needs to win a flag and get it for him. Be that assistants, fitness staff, players....whatever. Everything else is secondary.
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(08-21-2021, 06:55 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Hypothetical, tonight after the game win, lose or draw, the board resigns en masse and are replaced by me, LP, Baggers, Pauly, laj, Krudd, Micky0, Proff, Fly, Thry and Cap (forget the numbers for a minute), what's our first job tomorrow morning?
Go.
They have a drink cabinet in the Board Room?...lol.
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