CV and mad panic behaviour

[madbluboy]

Treatments for covid is just nonsense. If everyone got covid how are you going to treat them all?

[Mav]

True. The irony is that vaccinations are driven by these outbreaks but those rushing to get the jab are too late to protect themselves against this outbreak. I’m still waiting for my 2nd shot and even when I get it I’ll have to wait another 2 weeks for it to give me maximal benefit.

There was an article from a science reporter in The Age who pointed out that people irrationally take into account the likelihood they’ll be infected with Covid in the next week or so. When Covid is well contained, people therefore think there’s little risk of infection, so the infinitesimal risk of an adverse reaction to the vaccine isn’t worth taking. The reporter points out that we should be assuming we’ll all be exposed to Covid at some point in the future, so we should weigh the risk of death or serious injury from a Covid infection against the risk of death or serious injury from taking the vaccine. And particularly for older people, taking the vaccine is the only rational choice. As the reporter points out, who has managed to escape colds or flu over the last few years? Once Covid becomes endemic, it’s only a matter of time until it does the rounds.

[Gointocarlton]

Vaccinations is the only way to beat covid. We haven't been able to have visitors in our homes for a month and we had 29 cases in one day.
Sydney are locked down and it still can't stop this.

That doesn't stop people from doing the wrong thing, visit each other and this case, spread the virus resulting in another lockdown. If people did the right thing, we'd at least stand half a chance. As for all the cockheads protesting the other night, I'd just put a bullet between their eyes (apologies if this offends but...)

[LP]

I'm liking this thread more and more by the day! ;D

[flyboy77]

Hot off the press from FactCheck.org: Idaho Doctor Makes Baseless Claims About Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines.

Surely you could post some more reputable stuff. If you’d posted about a Doctor screaming about Demon blood, at least that would have been more interesting.

Those fact check sites are drivel.

As is your usual, incapable of addressing the substance so swipe at the man.....

He's a nationally recognised pathologist. Eminently qualified to comment.

[LP]

Those fact check sites are drivel.

As is your usual, incapable of addressing the substance so swipe at the man.....

He's a nationally recognised pathologist. Eminently qualified to comment.

The Pfizer and AZ death rates globally are very similar, the AZ deaths are primarily related to the 1st shot, the Pfizer deaths are equally distributed between 1st and 2nd shot. Both average between 1 and 2 deaths per million doses.

Hmm, his math is drivel, 11,045 vaccine deaths in the US would need 11,045,000,000 vaccination doses to even get close to that tally! Unless of course Pfizer is magically 30x to 40x more deadly just to Americans! He also mentions "25,000", "45,000" vaccine deaths in the USA.

He claims "they report" not one death from vaccine, he claims "they tell you" nobody hurt from vaccine, he claims "that is what 'they' tell you"

That is his lie, a few of them, obvious lies!

The USA has only purchased about 500,000,000 Pfizer doses, and has only issued 208,000,000 Pfizer doses to July 2021, so based on the 208,000,000 Pfizer doses issued the Dr is claiming 53 deaths per million vaccine doses!

[flyboy77]

Hmm, his math is drivel, 11,045 vaccine deaths in the US would need 1,200,000,000 vaccinations! Unless Pfizer is 4x more deadly just to Americans!

He claims "they report" not one death from vaccine, nobody hurt from vaccine, he claims "that is what they tell you"

That is his lie!

The USA has only purchased about 500,000,000 Pfizer doses, and has only issued 208,000,000 Pfizer doses to July 2021! :o

Hear of the word hyperbole LP?

What rubbish. The 11,000? He's simply citing VAERS - which everyone knows vastly under reports the reality.

Bleat as long and hard as you like, the facts are the facts.

And you've done exactly zero to provide ANY evidence to refute any of the data I've put up.

Ah, the UK's latest variant report was out yesterday. Simply confirms my earlier conclusions (and slams yours).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...ing_20.pdf

My last comment on this as too many of you have your heads firmly below ground.

Caveat emptor.

[LP]

My last comment on this as too many of you have your heads firmly below ground.

Awww, sorry to see you run away, didn't mean to hurt.

Taking your ball and going home, or can I call a Waaahmbulance!

PS: Just trying to live up to the Ad Hominem accusations! ;D

[Mav]

Those fact check sites are drivel.

As is your usual, incapable of addressing the substance so swipe at the man.....

He's a nationally recognised pathologist. Eminently qualified to comment.

I’ve noticed you tend to project your faults on others. You regularly engage in ad hominem attacks but accuse others of using that tactic. And then you condemn taking “swipes at the man” but you do so immediately after declaring “Those fact check sites are drivel.” Hypocritical at best.

Of course, you know the fact check article we posted didn’t just say “he’s a wanker”. The fact checkers critiqued the good doctor methodically and compendiously. Just to take but 1 aspect:

To those bogus claims, Cole has now added: “mRNA trials in mammals have led to odd cancers. mRNA trials on mammals have led to autoimmune diseases — not right away, six, nine, 12 months later.”

We asked Cole to provide support for those claims, and he referred us to a 2018 paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Drug Discovery that reviewed trials and studies of various, earlier mRNA vaccines.

But that paper doesn’t support his statement.

Norbert Pardi, a research assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, was the lead author of the paper. He told us in an email, “No publications demonstrate that mRNA vaccines cause cancer or autoimmune diseases.”

Pardi’s 19-page paper does make one passing reference to autoimmune diseases, which is what Cole highlighted to us.

The paper says: “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”

But, Pardi explained, he and the other researchers included that passage because they wanted to note some potential concerns. However, he emphasized that “no scientific evidence has confirmed that these concerns are real.”

It’s also worth noting that the paper predated the COVID-19 pandemic by two years, so it doesn’t include any information specifically about the COVID-19 vaccines.

Simply put, “there is no scientific evidence that shows that mRNA vaccines cause autoimmune diseases,” Pardi said. “Multiple clinical trials have been performed with mRNA vaccines in the past 10 years and none of them found that mRNA vaccination caused autoimmune diseases. Further, we are not aware of any studies showing an autoimmune disease appearing many months after vaccination as Dr. Cole inaccurately suggests.”

Likewise, Dr. Roger Shapiro, associate professor of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told us in an email that he was unaware of any study that would support Cole’s claim that the vaccines are carcinogenic.

“There is nothing in the science of mRNA vaccines that would suggest carcinogenicity, and they have been tested in humans for other diseases before COVID-19,” Shapiro said. “mRNA rapidly breaks down in the body, and probably does not last long enough to act as a carcinogen.”

“Regarding autoimmunity,” he said, “this is always a concern with any medical product, but there is no evidence to date suggesting it, and it does not seem any more likely than with other vaccines. mRNA is made all the time in our bodies, and delivering it by vaccine should not be different.”

Dr. Dean Winslow, an infectious disease physician at Stanford Health Care, concurred with the other experts with whom we spoke. In a phone interview, he characterized Cole’s claims about cancer as “fearmongering” and said, “There’s just no scientific basis for that.”

“We’re talking about these very small fragments of messenger RNA that don’t hang around for long at all,” he said, noting that the mRNA vaccines have been in use for almost six months and have been “very safe, very well-tolerated vaccines.”

Winslow recognized that some people are concerned that the mRNA from the vaccine might persist in their bodies and somehow change their genetics or cause long-term effects. So he emphasized that the vaccines have small fragments of RNA, which survive only briefly and carry information about the virus that causes COVID-19.

Similarly, Pardi told us, “COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not alter our DNA and they get rapidly degraded so they do not promote cancer formation.”

Fancy that: the good doctor makes a bombshell claim that mRNA trials had led to autoimmune disease but when challenged he sought to rely on a paper whose lead author says his paper didn’t support that claim. And experts in the area call Cole out for fearmongering and having no scientific basis for his claims.

And remember this is just one baseless claim amongst others that were methodically  debunked.

Well, well, well, it looks as though the good doctor is nationally recognised as a fraud.

[LP]

Fancy that: the good doctor makes a bombshell claim that mRNA trials had led to autoimmune disease but when challenged he sought to rely on a paper whose lead author says his paper didn’t support that claim. And experts in the area call Cole out for fearmongering and having no scientific basis for his claims.

I can't help but feel that I have come across this tactic before!