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Hawk? For me the last politician who gave a genuine fork about the people.
Fraser and Menzies being good Bluebaggers surely an a advantage.
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(08-02-2021, 08:35 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Hawk? For me the last politician who gave a genuine fork about the people.
Fraser and Menzies being good Bluebaggers surely an a advantage. Bob Hawke lost me when he traded in Hazel for Blanche....
Malcom Fraser I could never warm too...
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(08-02-2021, 08:53 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Bob Hawke lost me when he traded in Hazel for Blanche....
Malcom Fraser I could never warm too... Hawk was a ratbag "off field" no doubt, but he did a bloody good job as PM because he cared. The current polis wouldn't carry his bags. All I remember of Sir Robert was watching his state funeral as a kid with my dad and the picture of him watching the Blues at PP from the front seat of his government Roller on a special stand. As for Mal, just google Alex Marcou's "Fabulous" story.
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People will vote according to their own political leanings.
Gough was a progressive, visionary leader but as far as running a tight, disciplined ship he was an absolute dud.
The winner is (he'll get votes from both sides).... Bob Hawke. ;D
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(08-02-2021, 09:09 AM)Lods link Wrote:...
The winner is (he'll get votes from both sides).... Bob Hawke. ;D
It's been an issue for Labor since at least the 80's. With a general drift in political attitudes towards the right, Labor was forced to become New Labor, or Liberal Lite, or whatever you want to call it. Staying true to hard core, old school Labor values like Jeremy Corbyn means a wipe out in elections (at least in English speaking countries). I understood why Labor went the way they did under Hawke / Keating, but it was the beginning of the end for me.
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(08-02-2021, 10:19 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It's been an issue for Labor since at least the 80's. With a general drift in political attitudes towards the right, Labor was forced to become New Labor, or Liberal Lite, or whatever you want to call it. Staying true to hard core, old school Labor values like Jeremy Corbyn means a wipe out in elections (at least in English speaking countries). I understood why Labor went the way they did under Hawke / Keating, but it was the beginning of the end for me.
I initially had the best 'Liberal Prime Minister... Bob Hawke' in my post.
It wasn't accurate, but what Hawke did do was find the sweet spot that appealed to a large number of middle of the road voters.
I know a few long time LNP voters in my family switched sides during his tenure...and stayed Labor.
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(08-02-2021, 09:09 AM)Lods link Wrote:People will vote according to their own political leanings.
Gough was a progressive, visionary leader but as far as running a tight, disciplined ship he was an absolute dud.
The winner is (he'll get votes from both sides).... Bob Hawke. ;D For the record, I don't vote Labour but rate Hawk as the best PM. Little Johnny also seemed to care about the people also. After and since those guys, dig a big hole, push em all in it and back fill it fast.
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(08-02-2021, 01:02 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:For the record, I don't vote Labour but rate Hawk as the best PM. Little Johnny also seemed to care about the people also. After and since those guys, dig a big hole, push em all in it and back fill it fast.
That actually kind of supports what I was saying...'Folks will vote according to their own political leanings' ...but Hawke is one who blurred those political lines to the point that many LNP voters were/are quite comfortable acknowledging and appreciating his time as Prime Minister.
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Howard was a great PM ... Hawke (forget the maritals) was also more than capable.
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Three things that I can't stand about Howard. First two are about looking after those who can already look after themselves.
1) Legacy of 50% discount for capital gains. This kicked off housing unaffordability (aing with some other housing policies).
2) Full refund of franking credits. It's wrong makes no sense and is costing a lot now.
3) Tampa. Disgusting. Set the tone for Abbott, Dutton and others. Horrible legacy.
The good thing he did was gun laws.
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