Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

[ElwoodBlues1]

We lucked out that Nth had Cunnington and Anderson back in and Weitering played his worst game for two seasons....how often do you see him drop an easy mark like that Williamson pass and then turn it over for an easy goal.
Too many lazy non caring types refusing to man up, chase and sacrifice.....Walsh had his hands full with Simpkin... Weitering and Jones were ordinary and there was no one to save the day this time. Cripps kicked some goals but also stuffed up a few good chains we setup with dodgy kicks and like a few others have said we probably messed up not playing Kennedy in the middle.
Cripps will struggle next week vs Steele so its going to be down to Walsh probably to carry the day vs the Saints.

[kruddler]

According to your logic,  injuries caused us to drop our bundle at the beginning of the third quarter, resulting in North kicking 7 goals to none. 

How then, with the same injuries, were we able to kick 6 goals in the last quarter?

I still believe that poor leadership combined with a poor list and the inability to concentrate for 4 quarters are our main problems.

Again, too simplistic of a view.

Let me provide a couple of possible explanations....
1. Kangas went to sleep after having the game sewn up...and we got a couple of late goals.
2. Teague move some magnets about which allowed us to be more productive
3. In the final quarter there was no point defending anymore as its better to try and win, and lose by 15, then to try and limit the damage to 6.
4. A combination of all of the above.

[flyboy77]

We lucked out that Nth had Cunnington and Anderson back in and Weitering played his worst game for two seasons....how often do you see him drop an easy mark like that Williamson pass and then turn it over for an easy goal.
Too many lazy non caring types refusing to man up, chase and sacrifice.....Walsh had his hands full with Simpkin... Weitering and Jones were ordinary and there was no one to save the day this time. Cripps kicked some goals but also stuffed up a few good chains we setup with dodgy kicks and like a few others have said we probably messed up not playing Kennedy in the middle.
Cripps will struggle next week vs Steele so its going to be down to Walsh probably to carry the day vs the Saints.

The players don't believe the 'plan' (whatever it is) works....

Last night should see the end of Teague, enough is enough.

The players, coaches etc shat their beds - repeatedly - playing the 18th team in the competition.

All on a night that was Ed's 200th and with finals still a possibility.

[Baggers]

The players don't believe the 'plan' (whatever it is) works....

Last night should see the end of Teague, enough is enough.

The players, coaches etc shat their beds - repeatedly - playing the 18th team in the competition.

All on a night that was Ed's 200th and with finals still a possibility.

Totally agree.

Sadly, this year has shown, IMHO, that The TT is a very limited, even one-dimensional, coach which really limits / inhibits creativity and initiative and change. He just hasn't stepped up to being a leader... and we're pretty bereft of leadership as it is.

[Gointocarlton]

Totally agree.

Sadly, this year has shown, IMHO, that The TT is a very limited, even one-dimensional, coach which really limits / inhibits creativity and initiative and change. He just hasn't stepped up to being a leader... and we're pretty bereft of leadership as it is.

Baggers assuming your comments are based on our performance this year, I ask is Teaguey limited or do we overrate many on our list?

[blueboys_1]

Covid did us a favour... none of us could be at the ground to sit through that spiritless 2nd half.

Amen!

[LoveNavy]

Just watched the game again. Talk about no defensive IQ; talk about no respect for the defensive aspect of the game. It was as if we turned back the clock to pre bye performances... the old one-way thinking and strategy - only offense matters.

Taking Kennedy out of the midfield was a huge mistake. He's been the bull in there since the bye. Should have looked at other options to support the forward line.

Agree with that Baggers.
I thought we looked like we did early in the season. When we leaked 4 or more goals in a q and had no ability to stop the flow.
At that stage, we questioned fitness and players being played out of position.

After the bye and the announcement of the review we saw a bit of progress. Solid VFL form was rewarded, our defence was reviewed, and players were played in position.

Injuries continued, importantly including ruck and tall fwd options. We were vulnerable having a young ruckman returning from injury as our only option, and H. SOS's efforts to provide some cover was admirable but not sustainable.

The difference this week, aside from it being our achilles heel oppo, was the loss of H. The structural challenge, lack of depth, in-game injuries, as it transpired, was insurmountable. I can't imagine a coach having too many levers to pull at that stage.

That said. I acknowledge there may be issues in various areas of the club, from recruitment/appointment onwards. I also believe we need to drive selection standards and provide game day coaching support. 

It's been underwhelming being a Carlton supporter for a long time. We too have to decide whether to stay the course or take up origami.

Enjoy watching the Olympics Bluebaggers

[laj]

Summation.

We have a coach who's a nice guy, but way too soft/forgiving.

(without even looking at his ability to plan/strategize how to defeat an opponent)

Teague must go. He's not going to get us to finals, let alone a flag.

What would be the point. Different coach, same effort and result. Maybe a sugar hit year one but eventually the same result. You're not fixing the root of the issue. Win/loss he has the 2nd best record here this century. Unfortunately he is battling an awful culture, something that has killed many coaches. Previous to that we had won 4 of the previous 43, 100pt defeats, including one where we were outscored in a qtr 7 goals to 1 with a side that often had 16 men on the ground. So it was a low base to start with. Then we needed the coach changed but the tough part after was changing that culture, something that hasn't been done in 20 years.

[laj]

Agree with that Baggers.
I thought we looked like we did early in the season. When we leaked 4 or more goals in a q and had no ability to stop the flow.
At that stage, we questioned fitness and players being played out of position.

After the bye and the announcement of the review we saw a bit of progress. Solid VFL form was rewarded, our defence was reviewed, and players were played in position.

Injuries continued, importantly including ruck and tall fwd options. We were vulnerable having a young ruckman returning from injury as our only option, and H. SOS's efforts to provide some cover was admirable but not sustainable.

The difference this week, aside from it being our achilles heel oppo, was the loss of H. The structural challenge, lack of depth, in-game injuries, as it transpired, was insurmountable. I can't imagine a coach having too many levers to pull at that stage.

That said. I acknowledge there may be issues in various areas of the club, from recruitment/appointment onwards. I also believe we need to drive selection standards and provide game day coaching support. 

It's been underwhelming being a Carlton supporter for a long time. We too have to decide whether to stay the course or take up origami.

Enjoy watching the Olympics Bluebaggers

I'm lucky in that regard that I have seen 8 flags and some all time great sides. Must be tough being a younger Carlton supporter.

[PaulP]

Totally agree.

Sadly, this year has shown, IMHO, that The TT is a very limited, even one-dimensional, coach which really limits / inhibits creativity and initiative and change. He just hasn't stepped up to being a leader... and we're pretty bereft of leadership as it is.

Teague would need as many dimensions as current string theory to be able to deal with the instability, unprofessionalism, heat etc. coming from the club, media, certain fans etc.