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(07-20-2021, 11:33 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Just passing on what I've heard.
I dont care about figures, I care about facts.
Fact. The vaccine isn't a magic bullet fix for covid and guarantees nothing.
Analysis carried out in the UK indicates:
> the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
> the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
Not perfect, but not bad.
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(07-20-2021, 10:40 PM)DJC link Wrote:Analysis carried out in the UK indicates:
> the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
> the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
Not perfect, but not bad.
If someone told me I had a 92% chance of winning Tattslotto this w/e, I'd dare to fantasize about how I'd spend the loot.
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Remember, age is a massive variable. A double-vaccinated 80 year old only has the resistance of an unvaccinated 50 year old. That’s a massive improvement but there’s still plenty of room for infection. An article from a month or so ago claimed that no double-dosed under-50 year olds had died this year in the UK. If that’s still true, that would be a remarkable endorsement of vaccinations.
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Interesting article by a science reporter from The Age:
Worried about AstraZeneca? Me too. The way we think about risk might be the problem, The Age.
Quote:I have spent nearly the entire pandemic reporting on the science of vaccines. The evidence leaves us in no doubt: they are one of humanity’s greatest medical inventions and are directly responsible for saving tens of millions of lives.
Hence, why I’m surprised that I find myself fretting just a little as I wait for Thursday – when I’m scheduled to get my first AstraZeneca jab.
I know the risk pales in comparison to others I take every day, yet I am worried about getting a blood clot and dying.
The answer to why this is – why I find myself worrying far more about AstraZeneca’s side effects than I probably should – reveals how our brains think about risk. And how they often get it wrong.
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(07-20-2021, 10:40 PM)DJC link Wrote:Analysis carried out in the UK indicates:
> the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
> the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
Not perfect, but not bad.
Meanwhile, 60% of hospitalised patients in the UK with COVID have been double vaxxed.
How that equates to 90%++ efficacy in stopping hospitalisation is anyone's guess.
Reeks of blatant lies.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1417615440327495684
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(07-20-2021, 11:17 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Meanwhile, 60% of hospitalised patients in the UK with COVID have been double vaxxed.
How that equates to 90%++ efficacy in stopping hospitalisation is anyone's guess.
Reeks of blatant lies.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1417615440327495684
Fake news Flyboy!
The corrected statement is 6 out of 10 people hospitalised with COVID aren’t vaccinated. There’s no breakdown of the 4 out of 10 and it’s possible that 1 or even 2 out of 10 may be fully vaccinated, particularly if they are older folk.
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(07-20-2021, 01:21 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:If you two stopped arguing for an outcome and exercised a modicum of understanding you'd quickly discover the following thought process and point being made.
In a situation where nsw has 85 odd in icu off less than 5000 cases, in a future state where we are all vaccinated irrespective of Vaccination we are going to see rising hospitalisation off rising positive cases.
Even if this is a better outcome to the alternative (no this isn't an argument against Vaccination) the worst is still ahead of us and its a lot worse than our current state of being.
THAT is the fact. Or are you guys too busy pushing an outcome that the reality of our situation hasn't dawned on you?
It seems that the underlying point of this post has been missed because this has disintegrated to a pro vax anti vax argument rather than a discussion about the over arching pandemic.
Are you people ignoring this on purpose?
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(07-20-2021, 11:31 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:It seems that the underlying point of this post has been missed because this has disintegrated to a pro vax anti vax argument rather than a discussion about the over arching pandemic.
Are you people ignoring this on purpose?
There is broad agreement among epidemiologists and infectious disease experts (including Prof Cheng on the wireless this morning) that mass vaccination is the only way to mitigate the impacts of COVID. Your opinion is important but really doesn’t carry much weight in the context of expert scientific analysis.
Yes, people will still be infected with COVID, and some unfortunates will be hospitalised and some of them will die, but its impact will be greatly reduced and life will be closer to pre-COVID normal.
Analysis of ancient DNA has revealed that there was a COVID pandemic 25,000 years ago. It lasted for 20,000 years!
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Looking forward, I'm no expert but those English figures regarding hospital admissions don't suggest you can open up borders to everyone safely even with the majority fully vaccinated. With the virus mutating and spreading you are still going to have 30-40 % of folk at risk of being in hospital especially in the older range.
As Thry suggested it's not the panacea that governments are making it out to be and life won't be going back to normal anytime soon.
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(07-21-2021, 12:09 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Looking forward, I'm no expert but those English figures regarding hospital admissions don't suggest you can open up borders to everyone safely even with the majority fully vaccinated. With the virus mutating and spreading you are still going to have 30-40 % of folk at risk of being in hospital especially in the older range.
As Thry suggested it's not the panacea that governments are making it out to be and life won't be going back to normal anytime soon.
The Delta strain seems every bit as concerning for the young.
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