CV and mad panic behaviour

[DJC]

Porter is a lame duck minister of Science and Industry and the 5th minister in that role in 5 years.
I doubt whether he has authority or the willingness to order a pencil sharpener given he is being hidden away from the spotlight
after his legal issues.

Porter may be a lame duck Minister and he has some problems but, under our version of the Westminster system, Ministers can only act on the portfolios/departments/legislation to which they are appointed by the PM and sworn in by the GG.  Hunt could only order an inquiry into the CSIRO if he was acting Minister in Porter's place.  I do not believe that Porter is still on "sick leave".

[Mav]

Wow! We’re Nation number 94 on the vaccinations table. But at least we’re above India :

[DJC]

Interesting factoid about the super-spreader party in Sydney:  Thirty people attended and 24 ended up infected with COVID-19, the other six were vaccinated.

[flyboy77]

Interesting factoid about the super-spreader party in Sydney:  Thirty people attended and 24 ended up infected with COVID-19, the other six were vaccinated.

You do realise that a positive test result does not mean you're infected with anything at all necessarily?

And have you missed the latest out of the UK  - more are dying from the vaxxed cohort than the unvaxxed....

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...ing_17.pdf

(which clearly shows the delta variant is as dangerous as a warm fart)

And the numbers of deaths?

“We see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vax, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vax. For 3 deaths prevented by vax we have to accept 2 inflicted by vax.

This lack of clear benefit should cause govts to rethink their vax policy.”

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

[LP]

The UK released official figures for vaccine related deaths just last week, which was based on a study of the last 19.6 million doses the UK has issued. For all vaccines and all complications the latest figures are;

For under 40s the side-effect death rate from vaccines is approx 0.8 people per one million dose, for over 40s it is approx 2.3 people per one million doses.

There was no vaccine that was spectacularly safer or worse than any other.

For Sars-CoV-2 by comparison to the vaccine, if those million were left unvaccinated, the Delta variant will seriously infect more than 258,000 people, with approx 30% of that 258,000 suffering serious and long term illness, and 6,000 of the 258,000 dying.

When you compare that the earlier variants, in which there would be about 70,000 serious cases from the million and 1,800 deaths.

So for those a little dusty on the math, that means Sars-CoV-2 is more lethal than the worst case scenario for the vaccines somewhere between 780 times for all variants, and 2600 times for the Delta variant!

It becomes pretty clear why they take the Delta variant so seriously.

btw., The vaccine politics of it all is exposed by the stats, because it turns out less people die from AZ in the under 40s than in the over 40s, but I suppose nobody wants to see young people suffer long term health effects so the oldies get the AZ. Of course the decisions are made relative to the lethality of COVID-19 illness for different age groups, but unfortunately death is only one measure as the USA is about to find out.

[Baggers]

https://theconversation.cmail20.com/t/Vi...335B4C37B5

[flyboy77]

You live on another planet LP.

Your Delta numbers are spurious, if not facile too.

So explain how case numbers in the UK are rising in a hugely vaccinated population (with much of the balance with natural immunity from previous infection or existing immunity).

Deaths in the UK?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...-reporting

The MHRA has received 425 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 904 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 5 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 22 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.

But heck, it's OK, they were old anyway!

The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

So no autopsy...and of course anyone who thinks themselves on the brink of deaths races out to get the vaccine right!

Occam's Razor 101.

Whilst you're at it LP, flick me the studies where they've isolated SARS COV2 would you?

[PaulP]

https://theconversation.cmail20.com/t/Vi...335B4C37B5

This is the article in question ;

https://theconversation.com/contrasting-...dia-163482

[Baggers]

This is the article in question ;

https://theconversation.com/contrasting-...dia-163482

Did I stuff up the link, Pauly? Wouldn't be surprised!

Such an important article from 'The Conversation' - the place I now go for truly objective, unbiased and intelligent reporting. Thank you, Pauly.

[DJC]

Common sense has prevailed and AstraZeneca is to be made available to younger folk again ??