Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS

[LP]

Dow has to play every week so we can actually make a call on him.
SPS too. We drafted these guys now back them in.

@madbluboy‍

Yet yesterday in the commentary I heard the "experts" state we were now paying the price for gifting those guys too many games when they weren't ready, hadn't earned it and weren't performing! They've become use to being selected off the back of half-hearted performances.

I've heard a few state that recently, including Jordan Lewis, Leigh Matthews and Wayne Carey, it's obviously an opinion circulating through the industry.

I think if you play them and they get beat up week after week it actually sets them back regardless of whatever ability they have!

Partly I blame our club for not taking Northern and the 2nd tier seriously over the last 20 years, we basically ignored player development at VFL level.

[LoveNavy]

Per Baggers:
Stanton laughing while our team flails is etched in my mind. FO d1ckhead... hand in your resignation Monday.

What that says is that he didn't get the football department review memo.
Dumb.

Just as dumb and inept as the antics we've witnessed from Prez to player over the last 2 decades.

Can't imagine what it'll be like going back to work on Monday. Particularly for the young players and with added uncertainty of CV travel and lack of social support. The poorly timed review under these circumstances may inadvertently split the group further.

Like many, I'm exhausted following this club. I will, however, spare a thought for those committed players/staff now under scrutiny. My hope is those same people will stay strong and be part of the solution. It will be that resilience, mental toughness, and commitment to hard work that takes the club forward.

Those who prefer to sip lattes on the coast best check out the job vacancy pages.

[LP]

Stanton laughing while our team flails is etched in my mind. FO d1ckhead... hand in your resignation Monday.

That can be as much as sign of disbelief, it can be a laugh of "I can't believe they are serving that crap up!"

[PaulP]

@madbluboy‍

Yet yesterday in the commentary I heard the "experts" state we were now paying the price for gifting those guys too many games when they weren't ready, hadn't earned it and weren't performing!

I've heard a few state that recently, including Jordan Lewis, Leigh Matthews and Wayne Carey, it's obviously an opinion circulating through the industry.

I think if you play them and they get beat up week after week it actually sets them back regardless of whatever ability they have!

I'm not sure that's the whole story. There are still several inaugural GWS players in the system, both at GWS and elsewhere. They used to cop awful hidings back in the day - they're playing good footy now.

The problem IMO is the instability and flip flopping between one approach and another. Teague (who should know better IMO), has stated publicly on more than one occasion that earlier (read : under Bolton), we were gifting games to kids and that is no longer the case. How would you feel if you're LoB or Dow hearing your coach say that ? Quite apart from that, who should've got games ahead  of them ? Matt Shaw ?

[ElwoodBlues1]

100% agree.  I am certainly not saying he is there or even that he is best 22.    Just that one element of his game is actually pretty good and the rest needs work.

Hooper is 3 years older than Dow.

I like Dow and want him to succeed as he has all the attributes of the modern mid in terms of size, pace, and he does attack the ball well but he just cant seem to stay composed enough or make the right decisions often enough.
Unlike his U18 days he also cant find the footy enough..
Is it the coaching, is it the lack of leadership/support from other mids?....why is Walsh excelling yet Paddy and LOB look in another dimension as far as how they play.
You want to offer him more time/games and maybe with new coaches in the box he will improve but to do that we have to get better support in the middle other than just Cripps and another kid in Walsh. Apologies to Ed and Matt Kennedy but they are limited players who are good soldiers but we need Dow becoming a General like Walsh.
You look at Hopper, Taranto and Tom Green and Dow looks like a novice still, there is only so long you can persist and hope..

[laj]

Per Baggers:
Stanton laughing while our team flails is etched in my mind. FO d1ckhead... hand in your resignation Monday.

What that says is that he didn't get the football department review memo.
Dumb.

Just as dumb and inept as the antics we've witnessed from Prez to player over the last 2 decades.

Can't imagine what it'll be like going back to work on Monday. Particularly for the young players and with added uncertainty of CV travel and lack of social support. The poorly timed review under these circumstances may inadvertently split the group further.

Like many, I'm exhausted following this club. I will, however, spare a thought for those committed players/staff now under scrutiny. My hope is those same people will stay strong and be part of the solution. It will be that resilience, mental toughness, and commitment to hard work that takes the club forward.

Those who prefer to sip lattes on the coast best check out the job vacancy pages.

Stanton will know he is going anyway once the review is done.

[LoveNavy]

That can be as much as sign of disbelief, it can be a laugh of "I can't believe they are serving that crap up!"

Could well be LP.
My view is based on my work experience. I'm in a very different industry, but I do supervise budding professionals. If my supervisee was underperforming I'd be watching carefully and noting my feedback. After all, I share the responsibility for professional development and performance standards.

I know it's a loose comparison but these coaches share similar responsibility. I expect incoming prez Auditor will be examining just this sort of responsibility- accountability. 

[kruddler]

So how come we have t heard much from those who wanted to hang their hat on waiting till we played the winnable games in the softer part of draw - How is that idea faring?

Haven't gone anywhere. Read around. I literally just answered that question in the pre-game thread for next week

[laj]

I like Dow and want him to succeed as he has all the attributes of the modern mid in terms of size, pace, and he does attack the ball well but he just cant seem to stay composed enough or make the right decisions often enough.
Unlike his U18 days he also cant find the footy enough..
Is it the coaching, is it the lack of leadership/support from other mids?....why is Walsh excelling yet Paddy and LOB look in another dimension as far as how they play.
You want to offer him more time/games and maybe with new coaches in the box he will improve but to do that we have to get better support in the middle other than just Cripps and another kid in Walsh. Apologies to Ed and Matt Kennedy but they are limited players who are good soldiers but we need Dow becoming a General like Walsh.
You look at Hopper, Taranto and Tom Green and Dow looks like a novice still, there is only so long you can persist and hope..

Dow had his career ruined early on when he was thrown into the heat of the action rather than getting to perform lesser roles as he developed. Killed his confidence. Did him no good. not all are Sam Walsh's and hit it right away.

[LoveNavy]

Stanton will know he is going anyway once the review is done.

If that's the case, the people who signed him up should get a tap on the shoulder. I've said it repeatedly, we need to look at our recruitment processes. If you don't get that right, you're forever behind the 8 ball.