Post Game Frustrations: AFL 2021 Rd 14: Carlton vs GWS

[Shakin77]

Some good signs from Dow.  Agreed and we have no better options so give him a series of games.

Dow lead Carlton players with 4 centre clearances, 5 total clearances, 7 ground ball gets (2nd to Walsh with 8) and 9 contested possessions (4th).

When he is allowed to play in the middle, he can win the football.   

The issue is when he has the football.    I would play him in the middle for the remainder of the season.

[PaulP]

For most of the game last night, the group as a whole looked as flat and disinterested as I have seen in a long time.

Yes, but this happens often. After the GWS game near the end of Bolton's tenure, the players had the big honesty session, where home truths were told etc. They show a bit, then go back into their shells, then have a big pow wow, then show a bit, then go back into their shells etc. There's always positive energy with a new coach, then over a very short period of time it fizzles.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Some of our defenders don't want to defend, it's not even a case of intenstity.
We have too many chasing the easy kick or standing around guarding grass.
They are never near their opponent and give up easily when their opponent leads hard.
Jones and Weitering excepted even though Jones over commits at times.
Parks is a VFL defender, having him on anyone decent is a nightmare waiting to happen. Swans didn't want him with good reason...
The lack of physicality is alarming and has led to this bruise free brand we play.
Being out muscled by a soft bunch like GWS is about as bad as it gets when everyone knows they are a team that doesn't like it hard. Speaking of hard I saw SPS pull up in another contest in the VFL and Murphy was doing his best to avoid contact as well.
Every player we bring to the club now has to be one that enjoys contesting, is disciplined, a decent size and comes ready to play.
No more little kids or pretty players who want dance around the edges and leave everything to players like Walsh.

[shawny]

We are a joke of a club and my 15 straight years of membership will end this year. They have seen the last of my money.  I was close to stopping last year but that’s it now. Last night was the last straw.

Our once feared and respected club is now from the very top to very bottom an absolute shambles and after such a heavy rebuild to be in this position is a disgrace and a failure across all levels.

So after 6 years being sh1tecanned getting hammered bottom 4 finishes year after year a ton of early picks we are left with only Weitering, Walsh and Harry to be excited about and to now try and do another rebuild around.

The rest of the list are either not going to make it or is over rated with massive flaws.

Should be only needing to tweak things yet we need another clean out and to practically start again.

I’m sure I’m not on my own but I’m over them.

[Gointocarlton]

The showed some stats from the first qtr on Ch 9
Carlton at Qtr Time
102 disposals to 75
25 tackles to 12
29 marks to 20
18 inside 50s to 8
Thats a terrible response from a club under siege and following a break which included some soul searching. Thats players not being accountable.

[LP]

There are a lot of Plow cynics around here, has anyone besides me noticed him missing?

Personally, I think he was exactly what we needed yesterday.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Dow lead Carlton players with 4 centre clearances, 5 total clearances, 7 ground ball gets (2nd to Walsh with 8) and 9 contested possessions (4th).

When he is allowed to play in the middle, he can win the football.   

The issue is when he has the football.    I would play him in the middle for the remainder of the season.

13 possies@54% for Dow.... Its not good enough vs his equivalent Hopper.
I know fans want to love him but he is still a long way off imo.

[31Tommys_barber]

Does anyone else feel just a little bit embarrassed when someone asks who they barrack for?
I feel my  credibility in football conversations is diminished soon as the words Carlton come from my lips!
Even worse my son and grandkids follow their mothers team Essendon ?
My father used to say about supporting the Blues that they always give us a good run for our money
he passed away in 2000 I’m glad he hasn’t seen the last 20 years he would have changed his mind.
I stopped giving the club membership money when they bought in Malthouse I can find other ways to waste it

[shawny]

There are a lot of Plow cynics around here, has anyone besides me noticed him missing?

Personally, I think he was exactly what we needed yesterday.

He doesn’t change the last 3 losses mate.

Like so many others we say we miss when they are out and then complain and want him dropped when he costs us goals.

Just more excuses.

More shuffling the deck chairs.

[Blue Moon]

What can you say. Three weeks of derision in the media and they don't turn up to play. They don't care so why should we. They lie to the Club, they lie to their supporters, they lie to the Members, they lie to the sponsors, they lie to the media, they lie to their team mates and they lie to themselves. We don't lack pace, we lack the willingness to run hard. we not incapable of defending we just lack the will to defend. It is said the standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Our players don't walk past they saunter past like they are on a Sunday stroll. Coaches will lose their jobs, administrators will lose their jobs and players will lose their jobs because the players don't care. Murphy will miss out on 300 games because despite being a great servant of the Club, a great team mate and a great player, his team mates are not willing to make the sacrifices to help carry him there.
The last goal GWS kicked demonstrated the total lack of respect the football world has for Carlton. It was pathetic. They don't turn up and then in a ten minute display they get within two goals, the ball goes back to the middle and in a clearance Carlton must win, or at least draw, they give away a soft free kick, an unmanned GWS strolls past, kicks to a spot and a GWS virtually takes an uncontested mark. We get back to two goals in the last quarter, Harry takes a mark, twenty five meters out, it's a goal he has to kick but misses, gets another kick which he needs to kick to keep us in the game but kicks wildly and the ball misses the goals by twenty meters. These things aren't skill errors but application errors. It is not important enough to McKay to kick the goals. He is leading the Coleman, why does he have to win us the game as well. Silvagni had a quiet game, however twice he got free in the forward line and twice the delivery was poor, once by Docherty and once someone kicked it over his head and out of bounds on the full. These two opportunities could have change the story around Silvagni. On the flip side, when he shoots for goal with a set shot he has pushed the ball right all season, he seems to use the same routine and gets the same result. Is it the traning, how he practices or does he simply not care.
We don't play out the match, we don't play out the quarters and we don't play out the minutes during the match. we don't run to support our teammates, we don't run to support our team mates, we don't run to create space, we don't run to shut down the opposition, we hesitate to make decisions, we make poor decisions, we don't protect ball, we miss targets, we fumble, we fall over, we miss tackles, we don't block, we don't kick to advantage and we don't care.