Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

[Gointocarlton]

Oh, I understand the frustration. I have it myself. It is one of the reasons I don't post a lot immediately after a loss. The anger and frustration is not good for my health, so I am trying to minimize it. Pity our team is trying to maximize it.

I have come to the conclusion that our players have killed our coach. I cannot say it is anyone specific blame: there is so much to share around that no individual can possibly grab it all. But our coaching staff need to accept their share and do something about it. That doesn't appear to have happened.
For that matter, a few of our senior players need to take ownership of their failings and do something about it.

Just a few?

[northernblue]

That is an inevitability, since I don't listen to anything he says, unless I come across it on these forums.

So, please explain to me the true meaning behind the great man's words.

G2C gives a reasonable summation above.
Search an old episode of “On the couch” with Sellars about 2010-13 vintage.
The bloke is many things including opinionated, but listen to the things he sees as non negotiable for a successful footy team, it’s hard to dismiss them.
I completely understand your dislike of the talking/ranting heads in the media, sometimes the ranting comes from passion, doesn’t mean it’s 100% correct, but what/who is ??

[PaulP]

G2C gives a reasonable summation above.
Search an old episode of “On the couch” with Sellars about 2010-13 vintage.
The bloke is many things including opinionated, but listen to the things he sees as non negotiable for a successful footy team, it’s hard to dismiss them.
I completely understand your dislike of the talking/ranting heads in the media, sometimes the ranting comes from passion, doesn’t mean it’s 100% correct, but what/who is ??

I did a quick search for that episode, found nothing. You don't mean Open Mike by any chance ? That's from 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1g6nLGXTQc

At any rate. I have watched that in the past. It's fairly standard old man fare IMO, talking about the good old days and how they had standards which are not present in today's AFL players. That episode is ok, but it stands apart from his general Fox Media work because Sheahan still has a skerrick of journalistic integrity, and guides Maclure in a somewhat sensible direction.

He, like many of his ilk, makes a lot of assertions from the outside without really having much current insider knowledge. He's never worked in any offical capacity at the club (certainly not recently) has probably never even met most of the players and others he criticises, and is in my view not all that different from any other grumpy fan on the sidelines.

[Gointocarlton]

I did a quick search for that episode, found nothing. You don't mean Open Mike by any chance ? That's from 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1g6nLGXTQc

At any rate. I have watched that in the past. It's fairly standard old man fare IMO, talking about the good old days and how they had standards which are not present in today's AFL players. That episode is ok, but it stands apart from his general Fox Media work because Sheahan still has a skerrick of journalistic integrity, and guides Maclure in a somewhat sensible direction.

He, like many of his ilk, makes a lot of assertions from the outside without really having much current insider knowledge. He's never worked in any offical capacity at the club (certainly not recently) has probably never even met most of the players and others he criticises, and is in my view not all that different from any other grumpy fan on the sidelines.

Actually Pauly, he and Andy Maher used to do that official Carlton weekly podcast a few years ago, Sellers got booted from it IIRC.

[PaulP]

Actually Pauly, he and Andy Maher used to do that official Carlton weekly podcast a few years ago, Sellers got booted from it IIRC.

Did they ? OK, my bad. It's hard to keep up with all the different podcasts, twitter accounts, pay TV, free to air, radio etc.

[PaulP]

I should add, it doesn't really change my position, but clearly it's much better to have more knowledge than less.

[Gointocarlton]

I should add, it doesn't really change my position, but clearly it's much better to have more knowledge than less.

Wasnt attempting to change your position, just saying he did "work" for the club but more importantly got booted as I think he constantly potted Bolts.

[PaulP]

Wasnt attempting to change your position, just saying he did "work" for the club but more importantly got booted as I think he constantly potted Bolts.

All good GTC.

[northernblue]

Yes, I think you’re correct about the “Open Mike” program.
You see a grumpy old man I see a bloke who’s been there and done it.
And the things he was banging on about then, he still bangs on about now, team, sacrifice for teammates etc.
They are timeless requirements, if you don’t have them you won’t have the ultimate success.
I don’t deny that tactically he’s playing a kick behind, but again you only have to kick more goals than the opposition more weeks than not and you then start looking to playing in September don’t you…

[PaulP]

Yes, I think you’re correct about the “Open Mike” program.
You see a grumpy old man I see a bloke who’s been there and done it.
And the things he was banging on about then, he still bangs on about now, team, sacrifice for teammates etc.
They are timeless requirements, if you don’t have them you won’t have the ultimate success.
I don’t deny that tactically he’s playing a kick behind, but again you only have to kick more goals than the opposition more weeks than not and you then start looking to playing in September don’t you…

You can have poor results and still put the team first, sacrifice for each other etc. The implication from media and fans is that modern players are selfish, or they play for the lifestyle, or they're cushy with big contracts, or they have a sense of entitlement etc., and as such they're not like Sellers and his mob, who supposedly played the right way for the right reasons. I disagree. I've stated my opinions about our lack of cohesion, perception of selfishness, lack of connection etc., being down to instability and other things, and there's no need to repeat them again.

One thing I will say, in that Youtube link I posted above, stretched out to widescreen format he looks like Jabba the Hutt.