Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

[shawny]

As you are not happy with WASurfer's opening sentence, I invite you to commence reading his post from the paragraph beginning "Look back about 5 or 6 years ago..."

I am sure the views he expresses there would sit quite easily with the majority of contributors to this thread.

I assume you draw comfort from the statistics of the match and believe that success, although elusive at the moment, will come in due time.

On the other hand, I rely on what I see to form my views.  During and at the end of the game I saw a group of Carlton players who had played without leadership, with little or no spirit when the game was in danger, seemingly without a game plan, and looking utterly dejected.

We have many problems with no easy fixes, and I don't see a challenge to teams in the 8 any time soon.

Agree Macca.
We won’t go anywhere until we get 3x ready made mids to join Cripps and Walsh. Ed is cooked and the rest are VFL standard at the moment. It’s simply not a midfield capable of matching any of the teams we thought we should be jumping over
this year. Shattering when you think we waited 6 years for this.

[shawny]

Individuals.  Not a "team"

Yep. Been that way for too long with this club.

[WASurfer]

Love Navy.....my mind goes back a few weeks to when Liam Stocker kicked his first goal in the AFL and the response from team mates was underwhelming to say the least....surely the kid deserved better than that. Similarly, when Hartigan dropped Walsh a few weeks ago, the response was minimal. Yes, you can't just turn around and belt the bloke in retaliation but something would've been better than nothing.

It's a worrying sign that there's just not a lot of "team" going on.....and it's only what I can see on televised games.

[shawny]

Look what Richmond did to essendon on Saturday.

Bit of an arm wrestle but went through the gears and destroyed them in 10 minutes.  Went from 3 points down to 7 goals up in the blink of an eye.

Whilst I didn't think we were on top against them, we did way better than that and they weren't all half injured in round 1.

All half injured? Plowman is either a important player or a disaster. Like Jones his best is good but when he has an off day he is awful. By the time Charlie is ready he wouldn’t have played for 2 years plus. Can’t rely on him being the savour anymore. Look at doc its nearly impossible to miss that much footy and come back as good.
And pls don’t tell me we are missing marchbank or McGovern. I like McGovern but fact is he has given us nothing since he arrived and marchbanks body is sadly a disaster.
Every single team has injuries - we can’t keep using them as the reason we lose.

[WASurfer]

Agreed Shawny....WCE had plenty of injuries to key players on the weekend but turned up to play....we didn't.

[Thryleon]

All half injured? Plowman is either a important player or a disaster. Like Jones his best is good but when he has an off day he is awful. By the time Charlie is ready he wouldn’t have played for 2 years plus. Can’t rely on him being the savour anymore. Look at doc its nearly impossible to miss that much footy and come back as good.
And pls don’t tell me we are missing marchbank or McGovern. I like McGovern but fact is he has given us nothing since he arrived and marchbanks body is sadly a disaster.
Every single team has injuries - we can’t keep using them as the reason we lose.

was talking about Richmond putting essendon to the sword with half a team.

Our injuries are compounded.  We aren't a premiership team playing 5 guys with less than 10 games experience with a bunch of guys that are both battle hardened and experienced.  We started a rebuild 5 years ago, and weitering aside the rest aren't even close to 100 games.

[Lods]

Caught a glimpse of former Carlton player Adrian Hickmott behind Adam Simpson in the Eagles box after the game.
I think he looks after the Eagles defence.
Hickmott was one of my favourite players.

What you wouldn't give for a couple of Adrian Hickmott's in the side at the moment.
That's the type of attitude, courage and commitment we need to see from our group.

[LP]

Caught a glimpse of former Carlton player Adrian Hickmott behind Adam Simpson in the Eagles box after the game.
I think he looks after the Eagles defence.
Hickmott was one of my favourite players.

What you wouldn't give for a couple of Adrian Hickmott's in the side at the moment.
That's the type of attitude, courage and commitment we need to see from our group.

I believe he was an applicant for a coaching job at Carlton a few seasons back and we gave him a cold shoulder, was it around the same time we overlooked his lad as a F&S?

[capcom]

Hickmott was an outstanding player.  Gave it everything.

[Professer E]

We probably pissed him off when we ignored both his boys