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(06-02-2021, 10:31 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Bilateral Pneumonia and Congenital Heart Failure might yield covid like results though.
Likewise, you can have those things, and also die with covid and be listed as a covid death.
There is scope for some rubbery nature of figures there and that depends on what you want the data to show. Not being able to breathe is a common cause of death.....its just a bit rarer when you have a huge Blood clot in the lung of a healthy person as the cause.
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If you claim the vaccines kill people, they are extra deaths above and beyond the background rate.
Even here in Australia with our rubbish Feds we've handed out 4 million vaccine doses, but there are no extra people dying!
If the vaccine killed 1 in a 1000, that would be 4000 extra deaths, if it killed one in 100,000, that would be at least 40 extra deaths, instead we've seen the death rate drop from the usual baseline!
All claims of people dying from COVID vaccine are fiction, the numbers do not lie, the numbers have no politics or opinion!
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Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations.
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06-02-2021, 10:51 AM
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(06-02-2021, 10:47 AM)Mav date Wrote:Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations. Yes, an uncomfortable fact for some.
The type of clot the vaccine naysayers want to blame for AZ vaccination deaths is exceedingly rare, a tiny fraction of normal clot incidents and a tiny percentage of deaths from clots.
I notice none of the critics have addressed that in Australia more people died some time after being vaccinated by Pfizer, is that because they spent the last few months hitching their wagon to Pfizer? AZ bad, Pfizer good! ;D
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People keep arguing the extremes. It's always in the middle.
The vaccines are not responsible for all those deaths and it is responsible for more than none of them....albeit indirectly in most cases.
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06-02-2021, 10:58 AM
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(06-02-2021, 10:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations. I'm saying its irregular and given the Govt have been forced to scrap the Astraz for U50's due to clotting issues you can apply some common sense to people passing away days after receiving the vaccine.
Its interesting how the Government focus has shifted away from AstraZ and are now looking to switch focus from AstraZeneca/Pfizer vaccines to the Moderna vaccine.
The Aus Government has secured a deal with Moderna for 25 million vaccines and are now trying to hasten the onshore construction of MRNA vaccines and there are hopes Moderna could produce their vaccine in Australia as well.
The Moderna deal will see one million doses in the third quarter of the year and nine million in the late fourth quarter with the remaining 15 million to be an advanced MRNA vaccine which will be a variant booster.
Another vote of confidence in AstraZ....
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Pfizer's (mRNA) primary severe side-effect is myocarditis and pericarditis, there are as many of these events for Pfizer as there is clotting events for AZ.
Yet the health bureaucrats have reserved Pfizer for vaccine candidates with cardiology and haematology issues.
That is a blunder of politics and bureaucracy, and nothing to do with the science.
Another example of politics making a bad decision, like the AZ restrictions, it's the politics of fear and polls.
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(06-02-2021, 10:59 AM)LP link Wrote:Pfizer's (mRNA) primary severe side-effect is myocarditis and pericarditis, there are as many of these events for Pfizer as there is clotting events for AZ.
Yet the health bureaucrats have reserved Pfizer for vaccine candidates with cardiology and haematology issues.
That is a blunder of politics and bureaucracy, and nothing to do with the science.
Another example of politics making a bad decision, like the AZ restrictions, it's the politics of fear and polls. Agree the Pfizer isnt the panacea of Vaccines at this stage either.....
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We're saved !!!!
That moron female health idiot in SA has said fans shouldn't touch the ball if it flies over the fence in an upcoming match !!!
FMD.
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(06-02-2021, 11:28 AM)capcom date Wrote:We're saved !!!!
That moron female health idiot in SA has said fans shouldn't touch the ball if it flies over the fence in an upcoming match !!!
FMD. Nobody in the SA crowd should touch their balls, leave the balls to the professionals! :o
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