CV and mad panic behaviour

[Thryleon]

No the officials wouldn't report COVID deaths using the same spin, that is your deliberate personal choice to publish a private perspective which clouds the reporting and not a reality of the statistics. I think what you did there either by accident or design is called muddying the waters!

The numbers are clear, unambiguous and definitive, many of the published opinions of them not so much! :o

No the skeptics would, and the official reported covid deaths in analysis might be a little bit each way.

There is no harm in allowing people to point out the hypocrisy when one point is argued for or against in either circumstance.

the numbers regarding cause of death are never clear, unambiguous and definitive.

Should i retell my fathers demise due to his treatment of Chronic Lymphocytic Leukaemia and the fact that the numbers show that this cancer doesnt kill?  Or should I point to his liver failure as a result of the last cancer treatment where reactivation of Hepatitis C was listed as the official reason for his liver failure?

Without the cancer, his treatment doesnt occur, and therefore his cause of death is null and void.

I expect that the CLL figures are unchanged by that statistic. 

You know what a huge tell is?  Our case numbers are rising, we have seen a nursing home resident test positive and yet she was asymptomatic at age 90.

[LP]

No the skeptics would, and the official reported covid deaths in analysis might be a little bit each way.

There is no harm in allowing people to point out the hypocrisy when one point is argued for or against in either circumstance.

the numbers regarding cause of death are never clear, unambiguous and definitive.

There is no hypocrisy because the debate questioning the validity of the official public health plan is based on fake numbers and news stripped off FaceBook. The image above is a fraud, a lie perpetrated on the public by anti-vaxxers!

I wouldn't call millions of deaths globally, unambiguous, lacking clarity or without determinism! I also think specific investigations into a couple of hundred local deaths is quite definitive, and not something that can be trivially dismissed to suit a political perspective.

You know what a huge tell is?  Our case numbers are rising, we have seen a nursing home resident test positive and yet she was asymptomatic at age 90.

What is "the tell", can you explain what the link is between being asymptomatic and being an age? Personally, I don't see any good reason why a person cannot be asymptomatic at age 2 or age 120, it's just luck of the draw or perhaps luck of the genetics!

[kruddler]

That because they are fake, a image published by anti-vaxxer on FB or Instagram as shown by the URL.

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FBCDN.net = FaceBook Content Delivery Network

There are not and were not 210 deaths "Caused by getting the vaccines", no authority has published that or posted it.

The were 210 people who died sometime after getting a vaccination, but that poster is like saying there are 210 people who died after eating breakfast. It's not a causal relationship, it's correlation.

The image was on Facebook, but I went to the link on the pic and found the same numbers.

I'm not making an opinion either way, but I saw that pic, checked it out, came to this thread and you guys seems to be saying the same thing, so I linked it here.

[LP]

The image was on Facebook, but I went to the link on the pic and found the same numbers.

I'm not making an opinion either way, but I saw that pic, checked it out, came to this thread and you guys seems to be saying the same thing, so I linked it here.

The official TGA link does not "seem to be saying the same thing", the official TGA website has the same numbers but says the exact opposite of what the image tries to assert.

I can't comment on what website you viewed, you may have been looking at something spoofed to support the lying image!

[kruddler]

The official TGA link does not "seem to be saying the same thing", the official TGA website has the same numbers but says the exact opposite of what the image tries to assert.

I can't comment on what website you viewed, you may have been looking at something spoofed to support the lying image!

I viewed the tga website, that's it.

[LP]

I viewed the tga website, that's it.

There is nowhere on the TGA website that states there were COVID Vaccine Deaths = 210

The TGA website is neither ambiguous or misleading, the assertion it reports 210 deaths resulting from COVID vaccination is simply wrong.

[Thryleon]

There is no hypocrisy because the debate questioning the validity of the official public health plan is based on fake numbers and news stripped off FaceBook. The image above is a fraud, a lie perpetrated on the public by anti-vaxxers!

I wouldn't call millions of deaths globally, unambiguous, lacking clarity or without determinism! I also think specific investigations into a couple of hundred local deaths is quite definitive, and not something that can be trivially dismissed to suit a political perspective.
What is "the tell", can you explain what the link is between being asymptomatic and being an age? Personally, I don't see any good reason why a person cannot be asymptomatic at age 2 or age 120, it's just luck of the draw or perhaps luck of the genetics!

There is hypocrisies.

Anecdotally, the vaccine deaths are correlation not causation and the covid deaths are causation not correlation.

I just provided you a clear example of ambiguity that you ignored.

Think hard lp.

We have locked down for what will be 2 weeks now for what purpose?  To eliminate the spread of virus that infects people and thus far in this outbreak has minimal impact?

Now the modelling points differently but in starting to think this is all quite pointless.

[LP]

There is hypocrisies.

Anecdotally, the vaccine deaths are correlation not causation and the covid deaths are causation not correlation.

There are no "vaccine deaths", there is one single vaccine death, your premise is based on a lie or misdirection about a statistic!

Also, partial inversion of the logic leaves the argument non-sensical.

The fact that 210 people died is real, that they were part of 3.6 million that had been vaccinated is real, the assertion that they died as a result of vaccination is false and does not exist in the reports. In formal logic it's called a false premise, and Trump and his followers have made it an artform.

[capcom]

And we again get our daily dose of "settings" Sutton.  Same sh!t, different day.

[kruddler]

There is nowhere on the TGA website that states there were COVID Vaccine Deaths = 210

The TGA website is neither ambiguous or misleading, the assertion it reports 210 deaths resulting from COVID vaccination is simply wrong.

Don't shoot the messenger