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(05-30-2021, 12:50 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Enough weasel words Kruddler - "percentage says we're improving" is BS and you know it. Wins are the currency of football and we're not getting enough of them.
Liddle burnt most of his capital knifing SoS and his quote "the time for development is over", well, let's just say the rank and file have had enough of the marketing spin and without tangible results quickly he'll be down at centre link. BS you reckon?
We've played 11 games. 6 of them have been against teams in the top 8 currently (Since you love %'s so much, that 55% of our games have been against top 8 sides).
From our last 11 games, 3 of them are against top 8 sides. (Thats 27%  )
Our average losing margin this year is 22 points.
Our average winning margin is 24 points.
If we continue to beat sides outside the 8, and lose 1 we should win.... at the same average winning margin.
And
If we continue to lose to side in the 8, by the same average losing margin.
At the end of the year we will be
11-11 with a % of 100.9%
So you tell me, is that an improvement?
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Blah blah blah blah statistical gobedlygook. Whatever. Over it. If you think we're going to end up 11-11, bully for you Nostradamus. Can I have a crystal ball too, mine's broken.
Also, you didn't factor in the three losses against teams "we should beat but didn't". So 8-14 is more likely.
However, leaving aside pulling predictions from thin air, in the here and now my eyes see that we're playing poorer footy than 2020. Last year we beat some good teams (like Geelong), this year we struggle to just beat also rans. That means we're regressing as a club. Yes, GOING BACKWARDS.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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(05-30-2021, 01:17 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Blah blah blah blah statistical gobedlygook. Whatever. Over it. If you think we're going to end up 11-11, bully for you Nostradamus. Can I have a crystal ball too, mine's broken.
Also, you didn't factor in the three losses against teams "we should beat but didn't". So 8-13 is more likely.
However, leaving aside pulling predictions from thin air, in the here and now my eyes see that we're playing poorer footy than 2020. Last year we beat some good teams (like Geelong), this year we struggle to just beat also rans. That means we're regressing as a club. Yes, GOING BACKWARDS.
Shows your comprehension skills are about as good as your analytical skills. I did factor in a lose a game we should win already.
Tell me since your crystal ball is broken, look at the pieces on the ground and tell me what you think we'll end up at w/l at the end of the year.
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To win 11 games this year means we need to win 7 from our last 11. Not what our current percentage of wins shows. Highly unlikely and almost not possible. The only real count of progress must be wins. Not close losses or could have been results. Percentage, loss averages versus previous years form. With West Coast coming off a loss, then GWS, Adelaide, Fred and Geelong, we could easily see no wins in the next 5 games. We better take sh1t seriously at this club. Some fine tuning needs to start soon. Really soon. Otherwise we won’t get the 8 wins for the season we are heading towards. Am I imagining things, or do other clubs better develop their kids? Just asking the question. I start to sense a pattern. A trend. Playing guys who need a rest. Playing players where they don’t play at their best. Not picking the right squad and not coaching the side to win in the final quarter. Not confident in our next encounter. Might just be me being a fool.
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(05-30-2021, 01:29 PM)Mantis link Wrote:To win 11 games this year means we need to win 7 from our last 11. Not what our current percentage of wins shows. Highly unlikely and almost not possible. The only real count of progress must be wins. Not close losses or could have been results. Percentage, loss averages versus previous years form. With West Coast coming off a loss, then GWS, Adelaide, Fred and Geelong, we could easily see no wins in the next 5 games. We better take sh1t seriously at this club. Some fine tuning needs to start soon. Really soon. Otherwise we won’t get the 8 wins for the season we are heading towards. Am I imagining things, or do other clubs better develop their kids? Just asking the question. I start to sense a pattern. A trend. Playing guys who need a rest. Playing players where they don’t play at their best. Not picking the right squad and not coaching the side to win in the final quarter. Not confident in our next encounter. Might just be me being a fool. No, I feel the same.
Walsh is a freak and came to us ready made but what youth have we developed? Who can you honestly say, besides H, has improved. Ok weiters is another but then I can’t think of another,
Dekoning is looking good. But then who else?
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(05-30-2021, 01:20 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Shows your comprehension skills are about as good as your analytical skills. I did factor in a lose a game we should win already.
Tell me since your crystal ball is broken, look at the pieces on the ground and tell me what you think we'll end up at w/l at the end of the year. A few weeks ago, I said we'd go 9-13, not so sure anymore.
It was the week of the Melb game, here were my predictions
Mel L
Haw W
Syd L
WC L
GWS L
Adel W
Fre W
Geel L
Coll W
NM W
StK L
GC W
PA L
GWS L
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(05-30-2021, 01:29 PM)Mantis link Wrote:To win 11 games this year means we need to win 7 from our last 11. Not what our current percentage of wins shows. Highly unlikely and almost not possible. The only real count of progress must be wins. Not close losses or could have been results. Percentage, loss averages versus previous years form. With West Coast coming off a loss, then GWS, Adelaide, Fred and Geelong, we could easily see no wins in the next 5 games. We better take sh1t seriously at this club. Some fine tuning needs to start soon. Really soon. Otherwise we won’t get the 8 wins for the season we are heading towards. Am I imagining things, or do other clubs better develop their kids? Just asking the question. I start to sense a pattern. A trend. Playing guys who need a rest. Playing players where they don’t play at their best. Not picking the right squad and not coaching the side to win in the final quarter. Not confident in our next encounter. Might just be me being a fool. 11-11, not a hope in hell
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(05-30-2021, 01:33 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:No, I feel the same.
Walsh is a freak and came to us ready made but what youth have we developed? Who can you honestly say, besides H, has improved. Ok weiters is another but then I can’t think of another,
Dekoning is looking good. But then who else?
Stocker has clearly improved.
Cuningham improved before doing his knee.
Parks is a positive too.
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(05-30-2021, 01:34 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:A few weeks ago, I said we'd go 9-13, not so sure anymore.
It was the week of the Melb game, here were my predictions
Haw W
Syd L
WC L
GWS L
Adel W
Fre W
Geel L
Coll W
NM W
StK L
GC W
PA L
GWS L
Win 2 of those games, and we are 11-11.
It must've been an 'up' week for those 2 when you did your predictions.
Both were very average since.
Saints lost by 111.
GWS by 10 goals.
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(05-30-2021, 01:37 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Win 2 of those games, and we are 11-11.
It must've been an 'up' week for those 2 when you did your predictions.
Both were very average since.
Saints lost by 111.
GWS by 10 goals. Nah they've just owned us for so long, form means nothing. We are Carlton.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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