Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney

[kruddler]

Firstly, read my post, "entire football department" which would include why we continually have a horrendous injury list.
Second, not my expectations, "inner sanctum". The Richmond Fwit stated that he expected us to play finals (LOL).

You know i reckon there are blokes who get paid by the mob who where vertical stripes (any one of the 3 variants) who were saying the same thing. Those 3 teams occupy the bottom 3 spots on the ladder.
Its marketing spin. Why do you keep falling for it?

oh and entire football department......the same ones that have brought us back from Boltons record to the improving side we are today?

[ElwoodBlues1]

This coaching crew has a similar list being in every game for over 2 years now.
Remember the previous coaching crew with a similar list......4 wins from 44 games or whatever the hell it was.

We were coming from a LONG way back. No....we are not there yet, but we are still moving forward and are very much in front of where we were. Don't lose sight of that.

Problem is the natives see us in front of where we were but other teams who started where we were a long way ahead of where we are now. We are not gaining on the pack like we should be.....our progress has to be in excess of the bulk of other teams or we wont catch up.

[shawny]

Each to their own.

If we can match it or better the top teams for 2 or 3 quarters - but not 4 qtrs. - the problem is between the ears (and therefore the coaching crew)

I wish i could agree with this but that’s a very optimistic way to view it.  Imo our problems run deeper then just the coaching group. Matching teams for big portions of a game might look good at a glance but it’s also a common trait of many bottom teams so that does not mean so much to me. It’s a very different story to be able to do it when it matters and we fail with this every single time.
Not saying a proven coach like Clarkson wouldn’t help us but even a coach like him wouldn’t be able to convert our current list into the team we thought this rebuild was going to do and that is one pressing for flags over multiple years.
We need major changes on many levels to get close to that level.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Firstly, read my post, "entire football department" which would include why we continually have a horrendous injury list.
Second, not my expectations, "inner sanctum". The Richmond Fwit stated that he expected us to play finals (LOL).

The Richmond bloke is a marketing man who was trying to sell memberships.....tick for that result however the cost was that level of expectation he sold, but he is lucky he has Teague to blame so he has done his job and left Teague holding the baby...

[kruddler]

Problem is the natives see us in front of where we were but other teams who started where we were a long way ahead of where we are now. We are not gaining on the pack like we should be.....our progress has to be in excess of the bulk of other teams or we wont catch up.

Your first 4 words nail it.
"Problem is the natives"

"But Liddle said...."
"But i thought...."
"But but but....."

Look at Melbourne. Up and down more than a yo-yo.
The path to success is not linear. No team goes on a smooth, steady path to success. There are ups and downs.

At the start of the year people were pining for Ratten after what he had done with St. Kilda.
There were times when the bombers had leapfrogged us too......then not....now again...

Forget other teams. Focus on us. Focus on our results. Focus on what is available to us on any given match day.

Lods and I always used to point out that one of the best indicators of how good (or bad) a club is going is by looking at their %.
On any given day a bounce of the ball could be the difference between 4 points and 0.
Instead, % shows you how competitive you are across the whole season.

Currently, on the ladder in terms of wins/losses, we are above 5 teams.
However, looking at %, we are above 8 teams.
Once we start to play more of the teams from the bottom half of the ladder our wins will grow....as will our %.

[Micky0]

Whilst I enjoy reading the more optimistic of posters on here and am usually with you or at least wanting to be, the reality is that every single game we’ve been in front we all have that sinking feeling that we will be let down, again. And it did happen today, again.

We just don’t seem to have those players - bar Cripps- that stand up and demand a win for us because damnit we are playing for finals we will do everything we can to make it.  The fourth quarter today was so depressing to watch because we knew how it would go and it did. On multiple occasions I saw our players not putting pressure on! All they had to do was play their guts out for another 25 minutes, put every ounce of themselves into that last 25 minutes to get the win and keep us in finals contention, but nope they didn’t. Cripps did. Harry did but was so exhausted from running up the ground that he then didn’t have the energy left to do what he is there for - kick goals. How often did they just bounce right out of our F50, again and again! Who is there putting pressure on.

These are players who must stand up - Doch - especially! He’s the captain! Setters, so over watching him jog along and not apply pressure! Then there’s Fogarty, owies, stuff all from them.

It’s so frustrating watching this team because we do well in a big patch then just get annihilated and give up!

[shawny]

Problem is the natives see us in front of where we were but other teams who started where we were a long way ahead of where we are now. We are not gaining on the pack like we should be.....our progress has to be in excess of the bulk of other teams or we wont catch up.

Exactly. We are too quick to say ‘yep we are improving’ but it’s a fail if even though we are better then the previous year, the other teams around us or worse below us improve more.
We have been very patient with this rebuild and every year I wait for the big jump up and it never comes.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Your first 4 words nail it.
"Problem is the natives"

"But Liddle said...."
"But i thought...."
"But but but....."

Look at Melbourne. Up and down more than a yo-yo.
The path to success is not linear. No team goes on a smooth, steady path to success. There are ups and downs.

At the start of the year people were pining for Ratten after what he had done with St. Kilda.
There were times when the bombers had leapfrogged us too......then not....now again...

Forget other teams. Focus on us. Focus on our results. Focus on what is available to us on any given match day.

Lods and I always used to point out that one of the best indicators of how good (or bad) a club is going is by looking at their %.
On any given day a bounce of the ball could be the difference between 4 points and 0.
Instead, % shows you how competitive you are across the whole season.

Currently, on the ladder in terms of wins/losses, we are above 5 teams.
However, looking at %, we are above 8 teams.
Once we start to play more of the teams from the bottom half of the ladder our wins will grow....as will our %.

You cant forget the other teams thats the problem, I know success isnt linear always but you need a catalyst to propel you at
a greater rate than the other contenders. eg Petracca and Oliver have gone to the next level. May and Lever are now basically the best duo defensively in the comp....result Melbourne push up the ladder.
I dont see a catalyst for us unless Charlie Curnow comes back firing on all cylinders...

[kruddler]

You cant forget the other teams thats the problem, I know success isnt linear always but you need a catalyst to propel you at
a greater rate than the other contenders. eg Petracca and Oliver have gone to the next level. May and Lever our now basically the best duo defensively in the comp....result Melbourne push up the ladder.
I dont see a catalyst for us unless Charlie Curnow comes back firing on all cylinders...

Forget other teams.....well let me put it this way. We have no control over other teams. So don't worry about them. Some will get better. Some will get worse. Worry about improving us (relatively speaking) and the rest will take care of itself.

Its funny you point out Oliver going to another level. Half the blokes on here didn't want him on our list when it was a possibility.
You see the difference being fit and in form can make. Lets look at the same thing with a couple of our blokes.

Last year we ended up 7-10.
If we go 3-3 from our next 6, we end up at 7-10.

WCE in sydney
GWS
Ade
Freo
Cats
Pies

I reckon we will win 3 or more of those games.
So we'll match or better our record from last year......and there is still more games to play....including against North!

Just focus on us, and the rest will take care of itself.

[Professer E]

Enough weasel words Kruddler - "percentage says we're improving" is BS and you know it.  Wins are the currency of football and we're not getting enough of them.

Liddle burnt most of his capital knifing SoS and his quote "the time for development is over", well,  let's just say the rank and file have had enough of the marketing spin and without tangible results quickly he'll be down at centre link.