Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not sure what we are doing with Stocker, attacks the footy well but can look a bit lost at times and I'd get him out of the backline
and run him on the ball where he played his best footy at U18 level.
Appreciate he hasnt had much footy but when you have a backline getting assaulted like ours was its not fair on the kid and Id swap him out and get Williams or Newman back there who are defensive specialists.
SPS didnt work as a defender and I think its time re-educate the educators on how not every young mid has to spend time down back getting their confidence wrecked.

[kruddler]

Not sure what we are doing with Stocker, attacks the footy well but can look a bit lost at times and I'd get him out of the backline
and run him on the ball where he played his best footy at U18 level.
Appreciate he hasnt had much footy but when you have a backline getting assaulted like ours was its not fair on the kid and Id swap him out and get Williams or Newman back there who are defensive specialists.
SPS didnt work as a defender and I think its time re-educate the educators on how not every young mid has to spend time down back getting their confidence wrecked.

We are still lacking a small, lockdown defender.

Not many players i can see on our list who are really capable of it, but i've come up with 2.

1. Ed Curnow.
He is getting older, and perhaps we need him to sacrifice his game for the team, playing deep in defence might be an option worth looking into. He'd be perfect for Dusty types who go middle and forward at their leisure.

2. Matt Cottrell
I've said he is the most likely to take over from Curnow as a tagger (good tank, loves contact, never says die) but if we don't want to move Curnow back, perhaps we use Cottrell there instead.

Either way, its 1 less 'mid' which allows us to try Stocker, SPS or whoever else we are forcing to play a secondary role instead of their favoured midfield role.

[ElwoodBlues1]

We are still lacking a small, lockdown defender.

Not many players i can see on our list who are really capable of it, but i've come up with 2.

1. Ed Curnow.
He is getting older, and perhaps we need him to sacrifice his game for the team, playing deep in defence might be an option worth looking into. He'd be perfect for Dusty types who go middle and forward at their leisure.

2. Matt Cottrell
I've said he is the most likely to take over from Curnow as a tagger (good tank, loves contact, never says die) but if we don't want to move Curnow back, perhaps we use Cottrell there instead.

Either way, its 1 less 'mid' which allows us to try Stocker, SPS or whoever else we are forcing to play a secondary role instead of their favoured midfield role.

Reckon Ed would do the lockdown bit ok but using the footy deep down back by foot would worry me in a Liam Jones type of way....Dogs got Duryea for nothing we need that type of moneyball pickup to come our away with a small lockdown defender.
The Cottrell idea has merit though as he is a sensible player, not a bad kick and happy to sacrifice his game...

[kruddler]

Further to the Pittonet defending....
Apparantly Nick Bryan beat him last week too

Hitouts
Pittonet - 35
Bryan - 18

Hitouts to advantage
Pittonet - 10
Bryan - 2

Hitouts to advantage rate
Pittonet - 28.6
Bryan - 11.1

So beaten 2 weeks in a row in the ruck is complete and utter BS.

FWIW, season stats for hitouts to advantage AFL wide....
1. Grundy - 106
2. Gawn - 92
3. Natanui - 87
4. Pittonet - 86 (a mere 1 behind the hitout to adavantage king!)
*daylight*
5. Lycett - 63

If you go by hitout to advantage AVERAGE
1. Gundy - 13.8
=2. Gawn - 11.5
=2. Ryder - 11.5
4. Natanui - 10.9
5. Pittonet - 10.8
6. Phillips - 10.0

So.......case closed.

[kruddler]

Reckon Ed would do the lockdown bit ok but using the footy deep down back by foot would worry me in a Liam Jones type of way....Dogs got Duryea for nothing we need that type of moneyball pickup to come our away with a small lockdown defender.
The Cottrell idea has merit though as he is a sensible player, not a bad kick and happy to sacrifice his game...

FWIW, Harry identified a few blokes who he'd like to have kicking to him when he is on the lead and he brought up Cottrell as being one of the better kicks.....which i thought was a little suprising, but there you go.

[ElwoodBlues1]

FWIW, Harry identified a few blokes who he'd like to have kicking to him when he is on the lead and he brought up Cottrell as being one of the better kicks.....which i thought was a little suprising, but there you go.

Its interesting how Cottrell was a no name uninspiring player at U18 level who had a shocker GF with only 4 possies I think but
is now a more advanced player than LOB, Dow etc and one most of us rate as more reliable at the basics and it appears by Harry's comments the players think same..

[flyboy77]

The fact that we were run down in the last quarter and a bit like so much Navy Blue roadkill should not obscure the fact that for almost 3 quarters we had the measure of what is indisputably superior opposition. It took their best player (and arguably best or 2nd best in the comp) giving the best individual performance of anyone this season to ignite them.

And with the likes of Martin, Fisher and a few others to come in.

Martin is a match winner is his own right.

Let's assume TDK & English/Martin negate each other.

Of course a fit/firing Charlie Curnow is the one that gets us well ahead of the Dogs.

He is in a different class.

Noting Cripps and Williams did less than SFA yesterday and a few others little more....

If SOJ and Fogarty had kicked those goals, perhaps a different result.

[kruddler]

If SOJ and Fogarty had kicked those goals, perhaps a different result.

Thanks for reminding me....

If its close at the end, this poster by SOJ and the miss by Casboult, and the non-shot by SOJ is where we lost it.

.....and Fogartys one!

This was what i wrote in the in-game thread in Q2.

Ouch. :-*

[Macca37]

And with the likes of Martin, Fisher and a few others to come in.

Martin is a match winner is his own right.

Let's assume TDK & English/Martin negate each other.

Of course a fit/firing Charlie Curnow is the one that gets us well ahead of the Dogs.

He is in a different class.

Noting Cripps and Williams did less than SFA yesterday and a few others little more....

If SOJ and Fogarty had kicked those goals, perhaps a different result.

I suppose when we lose it's natural to have "if only" moments.  But the same applies to the opposition. The dogs kicked 11 points and I'm sure their supporters have thoughts along the lines of "if only we had kicked fewer points we'd have been ahead at 3 quarter time."

With regard to Charlie, who knows what he'll be like when he returns.  Let's hope he is back to his best, but the reality is we don't know whether his knee will allow him the freedom to play his natural style, or whether it will withstand the pressure of match play.

Also, we don't know what his mental state will be after such a prolonged layoff.

[Lods]

I suppose when we lose it's natural to have "if only" moments.  But the same applies to the opposition. The dogs kicked 11 points and I'm sure their supporters have thoughts along the lines of "if only we had kicked fewer points we'd have been ahead at 3 quarter time."

With regard to Charlie, who knows what he'll be like when he returns.  Let's hope he is back to his best, but the reality is we don't know whether his knee will allow him the freedom to play his natural style, or whether it will withstand the pressure of match play.

Also, we don't know what his mental state will be after such a prolonged layoff.

We sometimes look at a game and say... now add these five or six injured players and you'd get a different  result.
What we sometimes overlook is who gives way for those players. For example...if Curnow, De Koning and Martin play...is there a spot for Jack Silvagni?
What's our forward line look like with Curnow in?