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[capcom]

Meanwhile, Commonwealth Education Minister, Alan Tudge, is concerned that young Australians are learning too much about Indigenous Australians at school.  What a crock of sh1t!

Perhaps not ... but with our pathetic standards in the 3 Rs and teachers that can't even spell, maybe we'd be better off with a more rounded education in all subjects and scholarly pursuits that might well achieve higher objectives.
 

[Thryleon]

In fact Thry, they are more Australian than everyone else.  The sooner we all recognise their unique place as the First Australians the sooner we can all move on together.

Meanwhile, Commonwealth Education Minister, Alan Tudge, is concerned that young Australians are learning too much about Indigenous Australians at school.  What a crock of sh1t!

Equality will never be achieved when someone is more Australian than someone else.

For me, there is only one type of Australian.  Some have other heritage too, and thats what makes our country great, but the second we elevate someone is the second we start holding others back and granting preferential treatment.  That's the antithesis of equality.

Equality is simple.  Practise it and the issues dissappear.  The second you don't you're on the slippery slope to discrimination.

[Gointocarlton]

In fact Thry, they are more Australian than everyone else.  The sooner we all recognise their unique place as the First Australians the sooner we can all move on together.

Meanwhile, Commonwealth Education Minister, Alan Tudge, is concerned that young Australians are learning too much about Indigenous Australians at school.  What a crock of sh1t!

Sack the f-wit immediately if that's true. I have maintained for a long time that we DONT LEARN ENOUGH at school about Indigenous Australia and its culture.

[Gointocarlton]

Perhaps not ... but with our pathetic standards in the 3 Rs and teachers that can't even spell, maybe we'd be better off with a more rounded education in all subjects and scholarly pursuits that might well achieve higher objectives.
 

My wife and daughter are teachers, brilliant ones at that (no bias) so I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush. However, if you want to see how low the standards have plummeted and if you can bring yourself down to the level, purely for investigative purposes, watch a few episodes of Married At First Sight that just finished. There was a young lass on the series that was a teacher, good lord I wouldn't entrust her with teaching a dog/cat let alone a child.

[Lods]

Sack the f-wit immediately if that's true. I have maintained for a long time that we DONT LEARN ENOUGH at school about Indigenous Australia and its culture.

It's an interesting subject.

I remember in my primary school days we did a fair bit of work on the "Australian aborigine".
We studied their food, shelter, weapons and food gathering utensils and art.
It was very much the 'nomadic tribal' perspective.
The urban side of things didn't get a look in

In my last years of teaching there was a significant change and depending on the area I was working there was a lot more focus on local aboriginal history. Indigenous teachers aides and elders all participated in instruction.

One of the issues I found working in Juvenile Justice where my classes were sometimes 100% indigenous (yep, Seriously over represented, but that' another topic) was that we were drawing students from all parts of the state (NSW) and there was a bit of a disconnect between kids from different areas. So lessons had to be of a general nature.

[Gointocarlton]

It's an interesting subject.

I remember in my primary school days we did a fair bit of work on the "Australian aborigine".
We studied their food, shelter, weapons and food gathering utensils and art.
It was very much the 'nomadic tribal' perspective.
The urban side of things didn't get a look in

In my last years of teaching there was a significant change and depending on the area I was working there was a lot more focus on local aboriginal history. Indigenous teachers aides and elders all participated in instruction.

One of the issues I found working in Juvenile Justice where my classes were sometimes 100% indigenous (yep, Seriously over represented, but that' another topic) was that we were drawing students from all parts of the state (NSW) and there was a bit of a disconnect between kids from different areas. So lessons had to be of a general nature.

I was taught zero Lods both at Primary and High School, today I'm appalled by that fact.

[Baggers]

Sack the f-wit immediately if that's true. I have maintained for a long time that we DONT LEARN ENOUGH at school about Indigenous Australia and its culture.

Absofcknlutely. And as a part of the curriculum - respect. Respect for their spirituality, their arts and their culture.

I think we're heading in the right direction, and so we should be.

I still cannot fathom folks who are opposed (threatened?) by the emphasis in genuinely acknowledging our indigenous folks. All that is required is the empathy and imagination to truly put yourself in the skin of these folks... and understand what they've been through, who they are, and then, what they have to offer/share. Then acknowledge that difference is okay, in fact, good... we can learn from each other, and share our mutual gifts, then grow together allowing each to their own, surrendering the need to change and convert.

[PaulP]

My wife and daughter are teachers, brilliant ones at that (no bias) so I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush. However, if you want to see how low the standards have plummeted and if you can bring yourself down to the level, purely for investigative purposes, watch a few episodes of Married At First Sight that just finished. There was a young lass on the series that was a teacher, good lord I wouldn't entrust her with teaching a dog/cat let alone a child.

I wouldn't think anyone on those reality shows is a fair representation of their demographic / profession - I haven't looked into it, and nor do I intend to, but I'd bet London to a brick that all those contestants are specifically chosen because they exhibit psychopathic tendencies. 

[cookie2]

I wouldn't think anyone on those reality shows is a fair representation of their demographic / profession - I haven't looked into it, and nor do I intend to, but I'd bet London to a brick that all those contestants are specifically chosen because they exhibit psychopathic tendencies.

Agree. They are all about gaining audience numbers rather than being attempts to mirror the current state of society. Personally  I never watch, if I can avoid it.

[DJC]

My wife and daughter are teachers, brilliant ones at that (no bias) so I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush. However, if you want to see how low the standards have plummeted and if you can bring yourself down to the level, purely for investigative purposes, watch a few episodes of Married At First Sight that just finished. There was a young lass on the series that was a teacher, good lord I wouldn't entrust her with teaching a dog/cat let alone a child.

My three grandsons are at primary school and their school is brilliant.  Their teachers are devoted, energetic and great at imparting knowledge and building a thirst for knowledge (helped by parents and grandparents!).  Their curriculum is much broader than it was back in my day (the dark ages) but that hasn’t hindered reading, writing and mathematics - my oldest grandson is in year 6 and is doing year 8 mathematics.  The fact that his teacher picked up the need to challenge him with more advanced mathematics speaks volumes for him and the school.

Of course there are dud teachers - I had more than my share - but most do a very hard job very well.