Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

[LP]

Can't stand Ling.

The BPP was a good footballer, but in the media he is spineless and he knows who butters his bread, so he bows down to them without hesitation!

[ElwoodBlues1]

The Hooker, Hurley show has kept Essendon competitive for years, Hurley in particular has been a great player imo.
When those two are gone they will have zero leadership, I don't rate Heppell in that area or McGrath. The fact they rely on Stringer so much is also concerning if you are an Essendon supporter. He has to kick goals, play as a onball mid to try and give them a big body in the middle and if he is your main man then it's a flaky setup.
They have some newbie kids that are ok but they don't have that Walsh, Cripps, Weitering, McKay, C. Curnow quality at the top end.
The really wanted Dunkley to be their new Jobe Watson but missed out there and are going to stay a midpack team IMHO.

[Thryleon]

We are underselling their rebuild.

Parish is a better player than a lot give credit for.

If we had recovered like they have on the back of our sanctions we'd all be patting Carlton on the back.  What, one wooden spoon and a couple of finals appearances on the back of the biggest penalty in history?

We ended up with 5 wooden spoons in 20 years, kicked out of our old home, almost on the brink of bankruptcy, and only just became debt free now.

Their playing list is in decent shape, and potting stop gap elder players for making them old when we carry blokes like Murphy and Betts every week is akin to drinking our own bathwater.

i wouldnt trade our kids for anything, but Id be pretty pleased with Nick Cox, and Harrison Jones if I were them.  Mckay showed less in his first year.

[Professer E]

Their sanctions handed them a no 1 pick.  That was a ducking gift for doing the wrong thing.  We lost three picks in our sanctions.  So did they really get whacked?

[madbluboy]

Their sanctions handed them a no 1 pick.  That was a ducking gift for doing the wrong thing.  We lost three picks in our sanctions.  So did they really get whacked?

Their penalties were way bigger than ours.

[LP]

Their penalties were way bigger than ours.

 In what way?

[PaulP]

In what way?

MBB is right.

Straight from wikipedia :

Essendon was fined $2 million (staggered over three years). This was the largest fine imposed on a club in the history of Australian sport.
Essendon forfeit its place in 2013 AFL finals series and be deemed to have finish in 9th. The club was on track to qualify for the finals in seventh place.
Essendon was prohibited from exercising draft picks in two drafts. In 2013, its first and second round draft picks were prohibited; in 2014, Essendon was prohibited from exercising the first and second round draft picks it would have received based on its finishing position, but was granted the last draft pick in the first round.
Senior coach James Hird was suspended from involvement in any football club for twelve months, effective 25 August 2013.
Football operations manager Danny Corcoran was suspended from involvement in any football club for four months, with a further two-month suspended sentence, effective 1 October 2013.
A fined $30,000 was imposed in relation to Mark Thompson. Ultimately, Thompson personally paid $5,000 of the fine, with Essendon covering the balance.

On top of all that, player suspensions, long drawn out legal processes, court cases, uncertainty and all the rest. You can't possibly say we were hit harder than they were.

[PaulP]

And Carlton ? Also from wikipedia :

The club was fined a total of $930,000 (including $57,576 which had been suspended from previous breaches). The club was also stripped of several early draft picks in the 2002 and 2003 AFL Drafts, specifically:

Draft picks No. 1, 2, 31 and 34 from the 2002 National Draft
All draft picks in the 2003 Preseason Draft
Its first and second round draft picks in the 2003 National Draft[2]
Carlton later earned a priority draft pick for the 2003 Draft, which it was permitted to keep, even though that selection took place prior to the first round of the draft. This was used to recruit Andrew Walker.

Although the club was penalised, no individuals within the club were ever formally identified or penalised by the AFL's investigation. The Carlton Football Club stated at the time that the only people at the club who had knowledge of the breaches were president John Elliott, and directors Wes Lofts, Kevin Hall and Barry Stone. The players were never found guilty of any wrongdoing.

[LP]

I think there are some omissions in those facts.

I thought despite having their default draft picks removed CheatsFC was allowed to trade back into the draft but Carlton wasn't? Do I have this wrong?

The dollar amount is a bit rubbery as well, if I recall after much begging the AFL reneged and suspended or backdoor financed CheatsFC payments by giving them access to emergency funding. What value is a fine if the fine is in effect paid by the authorities?

What was the difference in TPP between 2003 and 2013?

[PaulP]

I think there are some omissions in those facts.

I thought despite having their default draft picks removed CheatsFC was allowed to trade back into the draft but Carlton wasn't? Do I have this wrong?

The dollar amount is a bit rubbery as well, if I recall after much begging the AFL reneged and suspended or backdoor financed CheatsFC payments by giving them access to emergency funding. What value is a fine if the fine is in effect paid by the authorities?

What was the difference in TPP between 2003 and 2013?

I don't know about trading back into the draft, but Essendon were helped by their insurer and wealthy benefactors, that much is clear, but I'm not sure you can say the AFL let them off lightly. The AFL can't impose restrictions on where the money comes from - you can't stop supporters or the club from fundraising. We also have wealthy supporters, who could have wiped out our debt and other financial issues in a jiffy.

Leaving aside money for a minute, the toll on their players, coaches etc., was way worse than what we endured. Jokes about us and brown paper bags are still in wide circulation, and we almost wear them as a badge of honour, which gives a bit of insight into how "serious" the offences were regarded. Apart from sites like this one, I don't hear too many injection jokes.

I know there are folks on here who will go to the grave believing the AFL, the umpires, the world in general hates us, and wants us dead and buried forever, but the overwhelming majority of our wounds are self inflicted.

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