Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

[LP]

The only connection between me and Carrots is that we both hail from the Mediterranean, and as a consequence we're both very good at holding grudges lol.

[Lods]

What is wrong with people?

Every single year we are sold hope. Why are people getting their knickers in a twist this year and not any other year? Is that because for once they might not have been lying?

No club has ever come out and said... this year we are f@#ked, so don't bother, come back next year.

We get our knickers in a twist every year... ;D

[LP]

What is wrong with people?

I don't think anything is wrong with people.

Every single year we are sold hope. Why are people getting their knickers in a twist this year and not any other year? Is that because for once they might not have been lying?

I just think they are perhaps detecting this at a whole new level, and that perhaps they have reached their fill!

Like I wrote earlier, if fans started off from the point of cynicism they probably aren't feeling the hurt now, that doesn't mean they didn't sign on, it's just that they support without the need to be spun! They have accepted there is no rainbow or pot of gold, but there is a journey that they can chose to join.

I've little sympathy for those who know or knew better but chose to believe the spin as a justification to sign on, they have no right to point the finger now just because they feel they need someone to blame for "wasting their money!" A membership is in one aspect showing support for a club, but in another perspective it's also a bet. Many are feeling punters regret!

No club has ever come out and said... this year we are f@#ked, so don't bother, come back next year.

What is the relevance of debating fan perceptions with fantasy accusation. What the fans think is what the fans think, it's not a postulate, if you want to go down the corporate commercial path then you have to accept market/customer is always right!

[PaulP]

It's a very good song, regardless of the target demographic. I can definitely live with the association. 

[laj]

Hey PaulP you wouldn't be Pass2Carrots by any chance?
Just asking?

I have Carrots on Facebook, Pauly isn't him.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I have Carrots on Facebook, Pauly isn't him.

Jim, What happened to Carrots, does he post under a new nick or not at all?

[laj]

Yes, that must be my big character flaw - looking at things too closely lol.

Leaving aside my reservations about the article, I put to you, my learned colleagues, some points for your consideration :

1. after the debacle of 2012, where it was decided that Malthouse could put the finishing touches on the work done by Ratten (touches that Ratten himself was supposedly unable to produce), that in fact the club is delusional and knows sh1t about what it takes to be a finals club, and has once again, just like 2012-15, overestimated either list or coach, or possibly both. And has taken fans along for the ride.

2. Too early to call, and after stumbling as we walk onto the stage, we then recompose ourselves and play finals this season.

3. the club is perfectly aware that it has tried to prematurely force the finals narrative to give hope and sell memberships, knowing full well that is was a long shot this season.

You are partially right, there are bad clubs as well as bad coaches. It's not one size fits all. Sometimes it one, other times it's the other, other times a combination of both. Bad cultures chew up coaches and spit them out, as Ratts might be finding out at the Saints. We have a very bad culture, not so much a bad club these days generally off field, but Bolton was going so badly it was important we change the coach at the time, which was most of the issue at the time. So that was done, winning records gone from about 9% the previous 50 games to about 45%. That part is now alot better, although we know it can be much better. So now, we have to get through the next part, the 5hit culture, and hope it doesn't spew out another coach. Next part now is up to the players to developed that "want" and real motivation. Our best two results this century, win/loss, have actually come from two ex-Carlton players.

[laj]

Jim, What happened to Carrots, does he post under a new nick or not at all?

Not at all these days.

[Professer E]

Why can't we have teams on a Thursday night,  like we have had for the past bazillion years.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not at all these days.

Shame...was good value.