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(04-29-2021, 12:33 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:You gotta admit thought, history does have a strange or uncanny habit of repeating itself at our club (off field and on).
Thats true, but its the same with all coaches. You either leave a hero or stick around long enough to become the villain.
There are very few coaches that have universal respect and adoration of all fans. Most of them get the sack eventually.
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(04-29-2021, 11:44 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:Hey PaulP you wouldn't be Pass2Carrots by any chance?
Just asking?
No, I'm just little ol' Pauly. Definitely not anyone else, not even PassIt2Carrots.
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The only connection between me and Carrots is that we both hail from the Mediterranean, and as a consequence we're both very good at holding grudges lol.
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(04-29-2021, 12:29 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:On a rather separate note, paulp you need to move on from 2012. Whats done is done. Ditto Bolton. Whats done is done.
The club is not the same any more. Yes the two incidents make you think nothing is changed, but the answer is that to truly move on we need to accept them for what they were.
Plausibly correct decisions at the time. Carlton isn't the villain and the coaches the hero of the piece.
Think of both of them as relationships that went sour. Why they did is irrelevant. Sometimes people making the choice that something else is something better do so because they're unhappy with what they have.
Look past the decisions to move them on. It happened for more than one reason we just don't know them all.
Agree. Sometimes the urgency or commercial reality of a situation requires a judgement call to be made, there simply is not time to do a full 100% 360deg analysis. OK not ideal but all that can be done in what is perceived as the circumstances at the time. If you get the judgement wrong the best thing you can do is to try and learn from it and move forward with your energies mainly focused on getting it right for the future. Admittedly we have not shown ourselves to be that good in these areas, especially learning from the past errors, in fact our club seems to have been run by slow learners for far too long. Let’s hope this is changing, for the sake of our collective sanity.
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Both 1 and 3, clearly articulated. Point 3 is verging on fraud and may be the reason driving so much angst.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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Yes, the "Sell" puts Liddle in the used car or door to door salesmen regime, does he have a deal for you!
But should we expect anything less, I'm sure his remuneration primarily depends on membership growth, so why would we be surprised that takes priority both in implementation and reporting inventiveness!
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(04-29-2021, 09:01 PM)PaulP link Wrote:The only connection between me and Carrots is that we both hail from the Mediterranean, and as a consequence we're both very good at holding grudges lol. That but also you are a gentlemen and a scholar.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(04-29-2021, 11:42 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:That but also you are a gentlemen and a scholar.
Thanks. Very nice of you to say that, GTC. And some very scholarly and gentlemanly compliments to you as well.
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(04-29-2021, 11:39 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, the "Sell" puts Liddle in the used car or door to door salesmen regime, does he have a deal for you!
But should we expect anything less, I'm sure his remuneration primarily depends on membership growth, so why would we be surprised that takes priority both in implementation and reporting inventiveness!
Exactly. The board would set his goals and measure his performance and no doubt remuneration according to how he is achieving them. He is not the club himself but he is a reflection of the club.
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(04-29-2021, 11:39 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, the "Sell" puts Liddle in the used car or door to door salesmen regime, does he have a deal for you!
But should we expect anything less, I'm sure his remuneration primarily depends on membership growth, so why would we be surprised that takes priority both in implementation and reporting inventiveness!
What is wrong with people?
Every single year we are sold hope. Why are people getting their knickers in a twist this year and not any other year? Is that because for once they might not have been lying?
No club has ever come out and said... this year we are f@#ked, so don't bother, come back next year.
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