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I'm not sure if my communication skills are at fault, or if it's something else, but I thought my points were simple enough :
1. the article is boring as, adds nothing to any debate, and is simply a recapitulation of what has existed on social media for ages, notwithstanding any recent additions from tyre kickers like Cornes. If people find this to be great writing, good on 'em.
2. Using love of the club as a justification and legitimation for lashing out is IMO a problem. To wit, recent posts on here regarding low life behavior at the recent Lions game. These offenders would also claim that they love the club, and their love made them do it, or that the club failing to meet their expectations made them do it. And my statement that this is same argument used by domestic violence offenders (i,e she made me do it) is completely correct. I'm not suggesting one leads to the other. I'm not suggesting the gravity is the same, but the line of argument most certainly is.
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(04-29-2021, 08:56 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm not sure if my communication skills are at fault, or if it's something else, but I thought my points were simple enough :
1. the article is boring as, adds nothing to any debate, and is simply a recapitulation of what has existed on social media for ages, notwithstanding any recent additions from tyre kickers like Cornes. If people find this to be great writing, good on 'em.
2. Using love of the club as a justification and legitimation for lashing out is IMO a problem. To wit, recent posts on here regarding low life behavior at the recent Lions game. These offenders would also claim that they love the club, and their love made them do it, or that the club failing to meet their expectations made them do it. And my statement that this is same argument used by domestic violence offenders (i,e she made me do it) is completely correct. I'm not suggesting one leads to the other. I'm not suggesting the gravity is the same, but the line of argument most certainly is.
Is he wrong? You're looking into it too much.
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Yep
I think by 'lashing out' he meant no more than the general critical post we see on here after a bad performance.
It may not be Walkley award winning stuff, but I bet it hit the spot with a lot of Blues supporters who feel pretty much the same.
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Yes, that must be my big character flaw - looking at things too closely lol.
Leaving aside my reservations about the article, I put to you, my learned colleagues, some points for your consideration :
1. after the debacle of 2012, where it was decided that Malthouse could put the finishing touches on the work done by Ratten (touches that Ratten himself was supposedly unable to produce), that in fact the club is delusional and knows sh1t about what it takes to be a finals club, and has once again, just like 2012-15, overestimated either list or coach, or possibly both. And has taken fans along for the ride.
2. Too early to call, and after stumbling as we walk onto the stage, we then recompose ourselves and play finals this season.
3. the club is perfectly aware that it has tried to prematurely force the finals narrative to give hope and sell memberships, knowing full well that is was a long shot this season.
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Hey PaulP you wouldn't be Pass2Carrots by any chance?
Just asking?
2024... Moir of the same to come
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(04-29-2021, 10:36 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, that must be my big character flaw - looking at things too closely lol.
Leaving aside my reservations about the article, I put to you, my learned colleagues, some points for your consideration :
1. after the debacle of 2012, where it was decided that Malthouse could put the finishing touches on the work done by Ratten (touches that Ratten himself was supposedly unable to produce), that in fact the club is delusional and knows sh1t about what it takes to be a finals club, and has once again, just like 2012-15, overestimated either list or coach, or possibly both. And has taken fans along for the ride.
2. Too early to call, and after stumbling as we walk onto the stage, we then recompose ourselves and play finals this season.
3. the club is perfectly aware that it has tried to prematurely force the finals narrative to give hope and sell memberships, knowing full well that is was a long shot this season.
Without knowing the intrigues guiding the decisions of the club, I'm sure most supporters would be evenly divided between points 1 and 2.
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On a rather separate note, paulp you need to move on from 2012. Whats done is done. Ditto Bolton. Whats done is done.
The club is not the same any more. Yes the two incidents make you think nothing is changed, but the answer is that to truly move on we need to accept them for what they were.
Plausibly correct decisions at the time. Carlton isn't the villain and the coaches the hero of the piece.
Think of both of them as relationships that went sour. Why they did is irrelevant. Sometimes people making the choice that something else is something better do so because they're unhappy with what they have.
Look past the decisions to move them on. It happened for more than one reason we just don't know them all.
"everything you know is wrong"
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(04-29-2021, 12:29 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:On a rather separate note, paulp you need to move on from 2012. Whats done is done. Ditto Bolton. Whats done is done.
The club is not the same any more. Yes the two incidents make you think nothing is changed, but the answer is that to truly move on we need to accept them for what they were.
Plausibly correct decisions at the time. Carlton isn't the villain and the coaches the hero of the piece.
Think of both of them as relationships that went sour. Why they did is irrelevant. Sometimes people making the choice that something else is something better do so because they're unhappy with what they have.
Look past the decisions to move them on. It happened for more than one reason we just don't know them all. You gotta admit thought, history does have a strange or uncanny habit of repeating itself at our club (off field and on).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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