CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Something is not adding-up about this ladies death to me.

I had my first jab 12 days ago and had to fill out a form with a lot of health questions, including diabetic stuff.

If diabetes is a big problem surely she shouldn't have had the jab. Most other illnesses were included too.

Are there different rules in different states, I know in Vic the consent forms are all locally produced?

[LP]

All that to one side, they said she had underlying conditions (plural) but again, that's possible with diabetics, especially those that need insulin.

I can't help but worry people are not taking this seriously, they too quickly blamed AstraZeneca simply because they can and they wanted to, because it's the lazy way out of the curly situation, without accepting the complexity of the root causes.

Reminds me of when Italian media blamed Mattia from Unilever for the whole pandemic.

Queensland Health officials are on high-alert after a man was rushed to hospital with clots just days after receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

[DJC]

This probably belongs in the Navy Andrew thread but there are reports of Health Minister Greg Hunt meeting with Essendon Football Club for advice on getting the vaccination roll out back on track.

[PaulP]

This probably belongs in the Navy Andrew thread but there are reports of Health Minister Greg Hunt meeting with Essendon Football Club for advice on getting the vaccination roll out back on track.

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to make an Essendon joke. i was expecting them a lot sooner.

[LP]

This probably belongs in the Navy Andrew thread but there are reports of Health Minister Greg Hunt meeting with Essendon Football Club for advice on getting the vaccination roll out back on track.

I thought you were going to report that CheatsFC had offered to cover the states shortage of syringes, good public citizens that they are!

Aren't CheatsFC sponsored by Terumo?

[LP]

Notice the Vic State Gov is now making noise on funding CSL to make mRNA, surprise, surprise. :

We'd discussed here that CSL was potentially milking the Federal AstraZeneca funds first, to get the pre-existing outdated kit upgraded and modernised, and that there would be further/new government investment required to kit up for mRNA.

Get what you want first, then what you really need next, I guess we were right!

The $50M is the tip of the iceberg, sorry for the cynicism.

btw., Do not confuse corporate greed with the vaccine efficacy, the scientists are genuine, the high level executives and bureaucrats not so much!

[Thryleon]

Notice the Vic State Gov is now making noise on funding CSL to make mRNA, surprise, surprise. :

We'd discussed here that CSL was potentially milking the Federal AstraZeneca funds first, to get the pre-existing outdated kit upgraded and modernised, and that there would be further/new government investment required to kit up for mRNA.

Get what you want first, then what you really need next, I guess we were right!

The $50M is the tip of the iceberg, sorry for the cynicism.

btw., Do not confuse corporate greed with the vaccine efficacy, the scientists are genuine, the high level executives and bureaucrats not so much!

Ive often wondered if this hasnt been one giant social engineering experiment.

Ive seen the following reactions which have always made me concerned:

1.  Its just a virus, treat it and move on.
2.  We can treat it with Remdesivir and Ivermectin.
3.  We need a vaccine, heres one that we want to administer but the public are reluctant lets give them a false one first like AZ.
4.  Manufacture genetic modificating ones like Pfizer and because of AZ shortfall, they will want Pfizer.

Interesting.

Ive seen various different modes of reaction from the public all craving something no one had ever heard of 18 months ago.

Without going into the debate regarding what the science shows, its very interesting social behaviour occurring.  I still believe the best answer is to wait and observe.

[LP]

Ive seen the following reactions which have always made me concerned:

1.  Its just a virus, treat it and move on.
2.  We can treat it with Remdesivir and Ivermectin.
3.  We need a vaccine, heres one that we want to administer but the public are reluctant lets give them a false one first like AZ.
4.  Manufacture genetic modificating ones like Pfizer and because of AZ shortfall, they will want Pfizer.

Much of what you quote above is social media commentary, it's never come from health officials other than Trump and a few other 3rd world politicians.

Waiting to react ignores the massive risk of COVID that comes with doing nothing, the risk between using the vaccines now is trivial compared to risking a 3rd wave. Have look at 3rd wave parts of Europe and India now! Some of the new variants appear just as devastating for <30s as they are for >65s!

[capcom]

It is truly weird in Europe.  A month or so back, the UK peaks were 1000+ deaths a day.  They're now well below 100.  Poland were doing well, certainly better than France, German, Italy and Spain and hardly any deaths (comparatively) up to Oct 2020.  Now they've skyrocketed.  Stuffed if I know ........

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.yahoo.com/finance/news/worker...06881.html
There is an insight into what might happen if you refuse a vaccine of any sort.
If you have suffered with Herpes related conditions in the past you might want to think about the CoVid vaccines too......