CV and mad panic behaviour

[Professer E]

The new strains are more virulent and have higher mortality.  The current vaccines already have diminished effectiveness.  This is not getting better people.

[LP]

If you want to open up then the reality is you have Covid in the community and learn to live with it, the vaccine magic wand needs more research/testing before you can wave it and expect magical results.

It never stops [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ , it has to evolve like the virus.

The problem is the Influenza isn't as virulent at least for the current strains, so you only need a portion of the population inoculated to break the chain, COVID is far more virulent and deadly, so it needs a much higher percentage inoculated.

Long term it will be a mix of inoculation and treatment, it was always going to be that way just like any other virus, not everybody can be vaccinated regardless of which vaccine is used. The problem at the moment is the very best treatments are barely effective and also ridiculously expensive. Nobody is going to opt for the $10K+ treatments when they can issue $30 vaccines!

[northernblue]

The vaccines need to be a one off shot that has an effective span in years not months, you cant be opening up borders based on the expectation 90% of the people will rock up for covid shots every year.
If you want to open up then the reality is you have Covid in the community and learn to live with it, the vaccine magic wand needs more research/testing before you can wave it and expect magical results. Been a great effort to get vaccines up to the level they are in 7-12 months but its not the panacea of cures that it was painted out to be and ScoMo looks looks like he knows it and has thrown in the towel.

Aren’t you the bloke who keeps worrying about the poor herd members who get cut if we take the vaccine...?
And here you are pushing them to the frontline... ??‍♂️

[ElwoodBlues1]

Aren’t you the bloke who keeps worrying about the poor herd members who get cut if we take the vaccine...?
And here you are pushing them to the frontline... ??‍♂️

I'm the bloke who wants proven vaccines that have been tested properly before they are forced upon us and that are fully effective not partially effective.
I'm the bloke who wants the borders shut till we have all the above.
I'm the bloke who is pro vaccine but not pro using herd members as guinea pigs and I'm not pushing anyone. I'm just saying when a complete effective vaccine is available it needs to be a one dose shot that is good for years not months. I wouldn't push you or anyone else into what's on offer at the minute especially without a thorough analysis of your individual health status.
If your happy to test on the run and believe you will get 90% take up every year from the population  then good luck to you..

[capcom]

I'll repeat what I said about the young lady who passed away.  Diabetic and no doubt, high blood sugars. BAD mix

[ElwoodBlues1]

I'll repeat what I said about the young lady who passed away.  Diabetic and no doubt, high blood sugars. BAD mix

I agree but where was her medical advice if she is in a high risk group?

[capcom]

I agree but where was her medical advice if she is in a high risk group?

They should have asked prior.  No certified and credentialed certificate, no jab.

And witnessing even that, a finger blood check on the spot to see how high she was running.  And a BP test. 

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.yahoo.com/finance/news/covid-...24598.html

[sandsmere]

Something is not adding-up about this ladies death to me.

I had my first jab 12 days ago and had to fill out a form with a lot of health questions, including diabetic stuff.

If diabetes is a big problem surely she shouldn't have had the jab. Most other illnesses were included too.

[capcom]

[member=33]sandsmere[/member] ... diabetes (if well controlled levels are evident, much like someone without that condition, which by the way is indeed possible) is not an issue.  If it is uncontrolled with out of range blood sugars, that's when caution / stop is necessary.  Same rules apply to operations.  Surgeons won't touch you unless your last bloods are deemed acceptable.

All that to one side, they said she had underlying conditions (plural) but again, that's possible with diabetics, especially those that need insulin.