Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

[PaulP]

I don't think there's a defender in the country who could've prevented some of the gifts to Plow's opponents. He was let down by players further up the ground.

Yes agree. Too much of the Pies ball movement from the centre was effortless, worse than a training drill.

[LP]

Yes agree. Too much of the Pies ball movement from the centre was effortless, worse than a training drill.

Who is the midfield coach, are you detecting any long term trends?

For me the answer to this question is not about being good or bad, it's more about making a break from the past.

[Baggers]

I was at the game (unfortunately).

We got smashed out of the guts from the get go.

My question, for those who saw the big picture - did Teague try and change anything to stop the bleeding? Tumbleweeds.

To me, nothing changed. No argument here.

And we were oh so predictable (and slow to move the ball forward). Yep.

Pies came to play, we didn't. Spot on. Preparation.

Some  'big name' players need to be playing in the magoos next weekend. Tick.

That effort last night was worse than unacceptable - and our leaders need to stand up and step up. On-field leadership well below par.

Has Cripps already gone (to WCE) mentally? Something is certainly up with Crippa, as a number of us have noticed.

He's a shadow of his 2019 self. Absolutely.

[capcom]

You're not gonna win a game of chess against Boris Spassky if your opponent has always been your 97 year old grandmother.  Teague fails in that regard.

[PaulP]

Who is the midfield coach, are you detecting any long term trends?

For me the answer to this question is not about being good or bad, it's more about making a break from the past.

I'm not sure where the problem lies (or maybe it should be problems). The killer last night was that the Pies seemed to kick easy and quick goals, but in general play, I don't think it was as one sided as many suggest. If you look at some of the numbers, they were pretty good.

[LP]

DeGoey, Elliott and I think Cox as well, are not easy match ups. You won't find many defenders that can go with those blokes, especially when they're firing. Our other defenders must have a secret stash of short straws just to spite him.

I agree, but it's not just in those contests that our players get judged.

It's dropping chest marks, fumbling pick ups in the clear, missing targets or bombing the ball mindlessly to nobody. In fairness Plowman wasn't on his own in this regard.

Can you recall what MM did to Mitch Robinson after his goal line brain fade, can imagine what he would have said / done to Jones? I suspect Jones would have been put in a taxi with a torn up contract before leaving the ground!

Can you imagine what MM would have done to Levi, Big H or Cripps after yet another uncontested chest mark hit the deck?
( For the statisticians I offer a fans perspective. Regardless of what AFL statisticians claim, a 200cm leading KPF or KPD is not in a marking contest when they are 2m or 3m ahead of an opponent and drop or take a chest mark!  Was any chest mark considered contested back in Stick's or Doull's day? )

We've done it for so long I fear it is contagious!

[blueday]

How depressing, I sat there with my teenage son and honestly wondered what I have got him into, he has never known a good Carlton side, frankly after the crap last night I don't think he will and I'm not confident that it will ever change.

We are seemingly incapable of developing young players, time after time good young talent arrives at our club and is slowly but surely  turned into what we see today.

We are not hard, we are not smart and we don't hate losing. Losing a contest, being beaten in the air or just being beaten in a one on one scrap, we just don't want it enough. Players with less than ten touches and no tackles, they must be dropped!

No more rebuilds, no more kids and drafts. Stand up and play, deliver now or out.

If the season does not dramatically alter, we need a fire sale approach at seasons end. Out with the promising and talented, in with hard bodies that are motivated and desperate to win.

I would much rather a team that gives 100% week in week out, craves the competition and gets done than this!

[PaulP]

I agree, but it's not just in those contests that our players get judged.

It's dropping chest marks, fumbling pick ups in the clear, missing targets or bombing the ball mindlessly to nobody. In fairness Plowman wasn't on his own in this regard.

Can you recall what MM did to Mitch Robinson after his goal line brain fade, can imagine what he would have said / done to Jones? I suspect Jones would have been put in a taxi with a torn up contract before leaving the ground!

I think the Malthouse /Jones relationship is similar to Ross Lyon / Zac Dawson. I think Mick would have roasted Liam over an outdoor fire, but I think Jones would have taken it the right way. Don't forget Mick brought him to the club.

Can I just just say, bearing in mind my perfect, unblemished record of dogged objectivity on the "coach question" it was Bolton who saved Jones career, and it was under Bolton that he played his best footy. And that goes for too many of our players - Docherty, Williamson, Dow, O'Brien, Cripps and others played better under Bolts.

Agree with the rest of your post.

[LP]

Can I just just say, bearing in mind my perfect, unblemished record of dogged objectivity on the "coach question" it was Bolton who saved Jones career, and it was under Bolton that he played his best footy.

[member=64]PaulP[/member]  I have to put forward a point of difference, it was Paul Brodie and Josh Fraser that saved Jones career.

[JonDorotich]

Who is the midfield coach, are you detecting any long term trends?

For me the answer to this question is not about being good or bad, it's more about making a break from the past.

To this end, I watched Cripps, Newnes and Setterfield closely and all three don’t track back.